Originally posted by MF DELPH
I need to see a full Affleck Batman film to judge. My only real knock on Bale was his voice, and even that at least has become a memorable meme. Every time someone imitates Batman (including myself) they use Bale's voice now and drop the hockey pads line. For me Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are still the brass ring Affleck needs to reach for, and he's not there yet based on BvS
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The Joker is supposed to overshadow Batman, though. Joker's loud, flamboyant, and is always the center of attention. Batman's operates in the shadows and is cold and calculating. Heath Ledger was supposed to eat up space on the screen. That's the whole point of the Joker. Just like Jack Nicholson in '89 Batman.
I do hope in the next Batman film we get a more cerebral type of villain so we get detective Batman. I've always wanted to see a live action adaptation of the Karl Rossum/H.A.R.D.A.C. storyline from Batman: TAS. Maybe do a film where Batman discovers someone has been replaced with a robot and he digs in deeper and discovers a larger conspiracy to replace key politicial and military figures with machines.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
The Joker is supposed to overshadow Batman, though. Joker's loud, flamboyant, and is always the center of attention. Batman's operates in the shadows and is cold and calculating. Heath Ledger was supposed to eat up space on the screen. That's the whole point of the Joker. Just like Jack Nicholson in '89 Batman.
This works well in a comic book or cartoon but has the negative opposite effect in a hero based live action movie.
It would've worked if the movie was told from The Joker's perspective...that would've justified the villain out shining the hero.
Nah, I'd disagree. It worked fine as depicted. It's not so much that the Joker 'outshined' Batman insomuch as that the Joker, being such a big, flamboyant, zany personality, is an attention grabber. The dynamic worked fine in the film. The Joker was an anarchist trying to push Batman over the edge with an extreme escalation of violence against civilians and it didn't work. Batman still had plenty of signature scenes where Joker wasn't present (Scarecrow parking garage drug bust with 'Hockey Pads' line, Skyscraper Incursion scene in China, etc). Joker just appears to have more charisma than Batman because Batman is typically the stoic straight man and Joker's his perfect foil.
Finally hit $300mill domestic, but still struggling to get to that $800mill WW. Looks like it will take the weekend to do that. Then I won't expect it to make much more with Jungle Book out.
Originally posted by MF DELPH
Nah, I'd disagree. It worked fine as depicted. It's not so much that the Joker 'outshined' Batman insomuch as that the Joker, being such a big, flamboyant, zany personality, is an attention grabber. The dynamic worked fine in the film. The Joker was an anarchist trying to push Batman over the edge with an extreme escalation of violence against civilians and it didn't work. Batman still had plenty of signature scenes where Joker wasn't present (Scarecrow parking garage drug bust with 'Hockey Pads' line, Skyscraper Incursion scene in China, etc). Joker just appears to have more charisma than Batman because Batman is typically the stoic straight man and Joker's his perfect foil.
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Originally posted by Darth Thor
Finally hit $300mill domestic, but still struggling to get to that $800mill WW. Looks like it will take the weekend to do that. Then I won't expect it to make much more with Jungle Book out.
I've read a few things that suggests this might struggle to reach $850 million worldwide
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Finally hit $300mill domestic, but still struggling to get to that $800mill WW. Looks like it will take the weekend to do that. Then I won't expect it to make much more with Jungle Book out.
It should cross over 800 by this weekend. 10.5 this weekend, I think for domestic.