Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Started by Robtard638 pages

Then all we can do is pray to the film-gods that Mamoa does a half decent job with the role.

Just as we pray Jessie Aspergers-Characters-Are-My-Thing Eisenberg gives us a stellar Lex Luthor, as this film will hinge on a great lead villain. Though I suspect he'll just to a recap of his character from 'Now You See Me'.

I think Mamoa will do a great job. Eisenberg however... lol

i dunno, man. I'm coming around on Eisenberg as Lex.

YouTube video

there's a sense of arrogance and darkness in that scene which makes me believe he can pull it off.

There's also this movie called "Night Moves" where he was pretty damn dark in it, none of the "Aspergers" traits were in that character.

My concern is that he wont be able to reel in his neurotic speech pattern. Even in "The Double" where he played kind of a dark, dick-ish character, he still had that same delivery.

I think he can handle the acting portion, it'll be up to the director and the costume designer to make sure he captures the vibe of Lex.

I understand that

1) this is an old, tired argument
2) we're not dealing with Christopher Nolan

but I would have hoped that given some past casting hooplas people would have learned to be a little more patient and trusting with these things, especially two years out from the release date when we don't really have any idea what the intentions are with these characters. For my part, I was sorely disappointed with Man of Steel walking out of the theater, but I've since watched pieces of it on YouTube dozens of times and have found a lot to like about it. If nothing else, it leaves a tremendous amount of viable material to be explored in a sequel. I was never, however, unhappy with the casting. In fact, I still think it was excellent, even if in a film that I felt had a somewhat poor sorting of its priorities where screentime was concerned.

Are we going to get a one-to-one adaptation of the classic DC Comics Aquaman? Eh, probably not. He's not likely to be blonde, for one, which is in my opinion a really stupid quibble that's going to get far too much attention. But I don't know how badly many people actually want classic Aquaman. I understand in the new continuity he's had a pretty well-received run, but it's his more serious incarnations outside of comics (DCAU's Justice League and Justice League: Unlimited, the alternate universes like The Flashpoint Paradox and Injustice: Gods Among Us), to my understanding, that have seen him more well-received. If Snyder and co. are looking for someone to embody the ferocity of a foreign king, it's hard to top Momoa's glowering gaze, exotic looks, and physical presence. I can sympathize with reservations about his acting, but I think it'll work out. And if it does, he'll do great things for the character's visibility down the line.

And since I've already brought up one of the best screen adaptations there is (DCAU), I just want to say that the classic DC Universe at large does not lend itself particularly well to live-screen adaptation in a modern setting. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Some character fare better than others (see: Batman) and there are fantastical standalone arcs that I think could be incredible on the big-screen with the right people (All-Star Superman) - if not commercially viable - but building a cohesive, believable world with characters that exist and interact authentically has always been Marvel's forté. If the creators of the cinematic universe feel they have to depart from the template here and there to adapt it to film without losing the essence of the material, then so be it. And if you're in the camp that thinks if it's going to be different it's going to be worse... the resources do not exist to make the movie you want to see.

*"exotic," emphasis on quotes. He's indisputably got the islander thing though.

The issue is the belief that the JLU Aquaman, the Flashpoint Aquaman and the Injustice Aquaman are somehow vastly different from the one in the comics.

They aren't. It's literally the same dude, and has been since the early 90s. Even Flashpoint, where he's the "villain", is still just normal Arthur after having a really bad few years.

He just got more focus because DC pushed his new series, written by their biggest writer, and made a huge ****ing deal about the whole thing.

It's the same. ****ing. Guy.

People need to stop acting like the comics are somehow the same as the Super Friends or some shit. I'm not saying everyone does it, but to the ones that do? Try picking up a ****ing comic. Shit like this just hurts the public perception of the comic character, that he's somehow not good enough in his current state to be adapted to the screen the way he is.

**** that.[/yelling]

I don't mean to be a dick or to seem like i'm attacking anyone; it's just really ****ing frustrating to see people ignore the comics and how Aquaman is in them.

-Pr-
The issue is the belief that the JLU Aquaman, the Flashpoint Aquaman and the Injustice Aquaman are somehow vastly different from the one in the comics.

They aren't. It's literally the same dude, and has been since the early 90s. Even Flashpoint, where he's the "villain", is still just normal Arthur after having a really bad few years.

He just got more focus because DC pushed his new series, written by their biggest writer, and made a huge ****ing deal about the whole thing.

It's the same. ****ing. Guy.


If that's the case, then there you go: one less hurdle on the path to a satisfying adaptation.

I hope I didn't seem too aggressive or anything; I'm honestly just worried that this is going to be another Cyclops.

I still want to know exactly what happened to MoS 2.

WWPR up in this thread

Originally posted by -Pr-
I hope I didn't seem too aggressive or anything; I'm honestly just worried that this is going to be another Cyclops.

As long as he has a half decent role in the JL movie, then it will never be as bad as Fox's Cyclops.

Originally posted by Lek Kuen
WWPR up in this thread

You should see the other one.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
As long as he has a half decent role in the JL movie, then it will never be as bad as Fox's Cyclops.

"Decent" is relative, tbh.

-Pr-
I hope I didn't seem too aggressive or anything; I'm honestly just worried that this is going to be another Cyclops.

Nah, you seemed pretty aggressive. But if you've been mounting a similarly passionate argument elsewhere, I doubt it was personal, and we seem to have different priorities here anyway. Not trying to step on the toes of avid comic readers.

Honestly, WB doesn't seem to give a shit about the comic books. They're comfortable alienating the core comic fan base to draw in a larger audience. A good company would find a way to both satisfy comic book fans of the source material and draw in a new audience. Marvel gets it. Fox and Sony are starting to get it

Wouldn't say Marvel "gets it" after what they did to the Mandarin... They may be "better" at it than most other companies but they are far from perfect.

Of course, I personally see no problem with them changing things up for the movies.

The one shot "All Hail the King" shows that Marvel gets it. They realized that core fans of the comic books were disappointed with the Mandarin twist, so they took the effort to film a short movie fixing the mistake. WB doesn't seem to get it.

Watching All Hail the King should put the Mandarin quibble to rest going forward. IM3's take isn't a butchery, it's a red herring.

edit: beaten to it.

Because they are making Aquaman non-white?

I can see some fans not liking the change but it really isn't completely mishandling the character or indicative of DC "not getting it".

Originally posted by Eminence
Watching All Hail the King should put the Mandarin quibble to rest going forward. IM3's take isn't a butchery, it's a red herring.

edit: beaten to it.

Wouldn't really call it a "quibble". The Mandarin is IM's greatest foe; if they did something like that to Lex or Joker I’d be completely pissed. And unless the Mandarin appears in the films I don’t care that a bonus feature on the video release rectifies it. Admittedly, I don’t really care about his handling as I’ve never been a big fan of Iron Man when it comes to comics. I just brought it up as an example of Marvel "butchering" their own character.

We'll have to see the movie before deciding how well their decisions worked. One thing that's apparent, however, is that WB doesn't care to stay true to source material.