Originally posted by abhilegend
I like it when a movie is fun. This movie was opposite of fun though. It was boring and too caught up in one liners. No sense of drama or danger, Ultron being a pussy, hugely anti climatic climax etc.In short, shitty movie is a shitty movie.
This movie had like one fourth of the oneliners they had in Avengers 1
Originally posted by abhilegendNo sense of danger? You probably need to just stop, right now, and walk away while you have some shred of credibili......you know what? You don't have any left; I'm sorry. Take your fanboy comments elsewhere please and let the adults discuss a movie here.
I like it when a movie is fun. This movie was opposite of fun though. It was boring and too caught up in one liners. No sense of drama or danger, Ultron being a pussy, hugely anti climatic climax etc.In short, shitty movie is a shitty movie.
Originally posted by krisblaze
This movie had like one fourth of the oneliners they had in Avengers 1
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Originally posted by abhilegend
I like it when a movie is fun. This movie was opposite of fun though. It was boring and too caught up in one liners. No sense of drama or danger, Ultron being a pussy, hugely anti climatic climax etc.In short, shitty movie is a shitty movie.
I have to say I disagree Ultron was hardly shown as a pussy,
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he had Thor on the rocks and would have killed him had it not been for the Vision being there to save his guts. I also believe that Ultron was portrayed perfectly for what he was designed to be.He is an extremely intelligent AI with the emotions and characteristics of a rebellious teenager. Which is why he acts like he does, like when he cut off Klaw's arm he instantly apologized. When he made all of the jokes that he did. He was messed up in the head and had a skewed view on the world. He wasn't perfect. In short I think he was portrayed as actually quite powerful.
Considering how he dominated Thor, his scene with Cap and Black Widow on the motorway where he was uprooting cars and stuff among other things. I think he was shown to be a very capable villain.
I can't find anything in that film that shows him as a pussy. So if you could expand on your opinion so I could get your view that would be good.
I thought the new introductions to the team made a positive impact
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Elizabeth Olsen manages to pull of the Scarlet Witch well, her acting was good and I think the character herself showed a great degree of power and potential too. Like at the end after Pietro died and she disintegrated all of the Drones. She's beautiful as well although that doesn't have anything to do with the movie
Talking about Quicksilver
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I thought the way his powers were portrayed on screen were well done. They weren't overpowered to the point of X-Men Quicksilver where he could see bullets still he was so fast and he could change their trajectory. But he was still that fast that he could avoid them and see them moving in slow motion. I think his sequences where he used his abilities were very good, when he plowed through the Ultron Drones, when he gave that punch square onto Caps jaw I thought that was brilliant. He made a transition form being a villain/anti-hero to one of the biggest heroes in the entire film by sacrificing his own life to save Hawkeye and the child
And probably my favourite out of the new characters (not including Ultron in this since I already mentioned him), the Vision
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I think a contributing factor to this was that we hadn't been overladen with loads of scenes of him, we had one clip of his eyes and that was all we got. It certainly built up the hype and it paid off. I think the scene where he hands Thor Mjolnir was excellent. I liked his battles with Ultron as well. I think it was portrayed quite well about how they were opposite sides of the same coin. With the Vision being a level headed calm thinking "child AI" and Ultron being his opposite. Ultron also seems to carry a whole lot of power on him as well. Since he seemingly carries the Mind Gem as well I think it adds on a lot. But he was quite impressive.I liked his mannerisms in the film as well, like i mentioned about him being calm, he was very pragmatic, not very humorous (which I think some characters were in this film) I think he balances out the Avengers quite well). I wasn't sure what he would look like either to be honest (I mean I know what he would be like from pictures) but that doesn't tell a story or give any insight. Seeing him walking or flying does that. And to me I think he was designed well. He doesn't look odd and I think they got the look just right.
Echoing Kris's comment
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there were not many one liners but they weren't cringe inducing. They were enough to make me smile in some cases. Like where Thor treads on Clint's childs Lego and he moves it under the chair and smiles at Cap. And the whole having a pop at Steve about his whole problem with people swearing I think was good. It wasn't swamped with quips like some people seem to be saying. They were present in the film but they weren't overbearing
My only problems if anything were
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I think a bit of time was put into the Banner and Black Widow relationship but I don't think it was fully explored. I feel like they could have shortened the time making the scenes and probably added more in.
And that isn't a downer on the film. More of a personal preference. And for me I thoroughly enjoyed the film. Worth the £6 I paid to see it.
Ultron was done spectacularly badly, all that knowledge, a true AI, infinite calculations in a body on equal terms to Iron man and
Spoiler:Ultron wanted to destroy humanity anyway right? Why not
Captain America stalemates him for 10 ****ing minutes?
Spoiler:We're not talking about some dumb brute here, we're talking an AI. limitless knowledge.. I think he was done poorly. And as for his master plan, jebus THATS what he came up with? The most sophisticated thought processor in existence and THAT weak ass plan is the one he thought would have the most success?
just leave the bus and blow it up from the air with Cap on board? Why not just hold on to Cap and fly straight up at full speed for two seconds and drop him?
he didn't stop to think that maybe snuffing out 3 or 4 of the less powerful team members first would increase his chances?
it was badly written and Ultron was wasted. It wasn't a terrible film, but it wasn't the one I think we deserved and I certainly regard it as a low point in Joss career of almost exclusively high points as a writer and in his ability to develop characters.
Originally posted by Juk3n
Ultron was done spectacularly badly, all that knowledge, a true AI, infinite calculations in a body on equal terms to Iron man andSpoiler:Ultron wanted to destroy humanity anyway right? Why not
Captain America stalemates him for 10 ****ing minutes?Spoiler:We're not talking about some dumb brute here, we're talking an AI. limitless knowledge.. I think he was done poorly. And as for his master plan, jebus THATS what he came up with? The most sophisticated thought processor in existence and THAT weak ass plan is the one he thought would have the most success?
just leave the bus and blow it up from the air with Cap on board? Why not just hold on to Cap and fly straight up at full speed for two seconds and drop him?he didn't stop to think that maybe snuffing out 3 or 4 of the less powerful team members first would increase his chances?
it was badly written and Ultron was wasted. It wasn't a terrible film, but it wasn't the one I think we deserved and I certainly regard it as a low point in Joss career of almost exclusively high points as a writer and in his ability to develop characters.
Not really spectacularly badly. That's a powerful statement to just chuck out. He was a good character. The plan of his wasn't the best. But at the end of the day it wasn't that bad. I guess I was basing my opinion on the characters themselves and how they appeared. Less on the writing specifically that was the plot overall. I do agree that writing could have been improved. I do think Ultron should have been given more writing though.
One thing I will add that I was really disappointed with was the
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anticlimactic ending, Ultron was fully encased in a metal that was supposed to make him indestructible. I mean I guess he was melted from the inside but I just think Ultron needed a much greater send off.I guess the Vision's dialogue with the last robot Drone was good.
I do hope the Russo's give the next Avengers films some new direction with Infinity War Part 1 or 2.
Also what did you think of the Vision just out of interest? Like I mentioned I was actually happy with how he was portrayed.
(made an error in my other post, I meant to say Vision with the Mind Gem. Not Ultron)
Originally posted by DARTH POWERYah, Vision was great. I kinda wish this movie had been over 3 hours long....I'd love to see how it was before they cut the crap out of it.
Vision was great. Probably my favourite part of the film, which I definitely wasn't expecting.
What people don't realize is that making a movie like this might seem easy; it's anything but. When the first Avengers came out it was unprecedented to have that many stars playing side by side in such a huge blockbuster. Whedon has really mastered doing the juggling act; he's leaving large shoes to fill that's for certain.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Whedon has really mastered doing the juggling act; he's leaving large shoes to fill that's for certain.
Don't agree tbh. Because I feel
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Thor wasn't given a big enough role in this film. Seemed to be mainly focused on IM and Cap who will be the stars of Civil War next year anyway.
But yeah Vision was handled very well.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERWhat happened with Thor was to be expected. I didn't like it that much either but it kinda had to be done. Doesn't mean he didn't do a good with All those characters and personalities
Don't agree tbh. Because I feelSpoiler:
Thor wasn't given a big enough role in this film. Seemed to be mainly focused on IM and Cap who will be the stars of Civil War next year anyway.But yeah Vision was handled very well.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Don't agree tbh. Because I feelSpoiler:
Thor wasn't given a big enough role in this film. Seemed to be mainly focused on IM and Cap who will be the stars of Civil War next year anyway.But yeah Vision was handled very well.
I agree.
Iron Man and Cap were given twice the screentime of other Avengers.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWPeople see what they want to see, Stilt. Your suppressed emotions make your brain process all information with homosexual undertone. For example take this poster from the upcoming Cap 3 movie with Cap fighting Tony because of the Registration Act. I bet your poor brain sees it as something entirely different. And yes Stilt, it is just you.
100% homo
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
What happened with Thor was to be expected. I didn't like it that much either but it kinda had to be done. Doesn't mean he didn't do a good with All those characters and personalities
Don't really see why that should be expected.
All it would have taken is
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make the Ultron vs Thor fight to be much more Iconic. Show Ultron wasting the other Avengers, before Thor intervenes. Make that an epic evenly fought fight which Thor begins to win until all Ultron's drones enter the fight.
Thing is I get that some characters will have more screen time than the others. In A1 Hulk/Banner had the smallest amount of screen time of all the Avengers. But you didn't feel it, because the scenes he was in were the best ones.
That's the best way to divide an ensemble movies. Give the better scenes to the ones you have to screw on screen time. Thor and Hulk had some really great moments together in A1. In this one Thor definitely got short changed in terms of screen time and memorable scenes.
I would say Hulk was a bit short changed as well, except for the HUlkbuster fight, which is just as much an Iron Man sequence as it is a Hulk sequence anyway. And that fight
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was basically the marketing pitch for the film.
Originally posted by krisblaze
I agree.Iron Man and Cap were given twice the screentime of other Avengers.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERThe problem is, Thor can handle almost any threat by himself in the comics. So Movie Thor has been powered down more than anyone else. Whedon tried to lesson the "depowering" of Thor by having him
Don't really see why that should be expected.
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disappear again. It's no different than Avengers 1, where Thor was off on his own contemplating fighting Loki, then getting injured by a [magic?] knife of Loki and not doing a whole lot. Thor has always been shafted in the movies. This is no different.
My point was, Whedon has done a good job juggling ALL of the personalities and characters in a shortened, truncated movie of this magnitude. Again, these movies are UNPRECEDENTED. The standard for this type of juggling is Avengers 1, which Whedon directed. You'll see, in Batman vs Superman, just what I'm talking about.