Doctor Manhattan vs Team Hero

Started by the ninjak6 pages
Originally posted by NemeBro
Anyway, I am gonna go play Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, I will be back to make you all look like idiots later.

One of my top 5 games. Respect. Make sure you install the latest mods.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Doctor Manhattan is not a thousandth as powerful as Galactus was, why would he need to expend that much energy and effort to destroy a foe so much weaker?

Silver Surfer can destroy energy beings, which Manhattan fundamentally is. He destroys the body and the incorporeal presence controlling it in one fell stroke.

It wouldn't matter, that attack you mentioned was a suicide attack. All it would accomplish is Surfer's death, possibly some of his teammates and Manhattan would just reform. So good job, you still took out your most powerful player to only give the other side a mild nuisance, dumbass.

Galactus was not an "energy being" in the film as far as we know. We even see his shadow (which was a shout out to Marvel fans), he's a solid form surrounded by a cloud of some sort, we even see his physical tentacles, iirc.

Manhattan solos here, just face them facts. Surfer the teams best bet, gets manipulated into Play-Doh.

Originally posted by the ninjak
It happened. It showed non-Phoenix Jean's ability to handle combat.
And Phoenix Jean just showed telepathic resistance.
She is screwed against Manhattan.
Sigh.

But that Jean wasn't operating at X-3 levels.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Sigh.

But that Jean wasn't operating at X-3 levels.

Post facts not assumptions.
Manhattan once he gets his hands on the Surfer's board also opens many options.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He created the giant cloud, the real Galactus was the gathering of energy inside the cloud that Silver Surfer had to power his way to.

Proof?

Originally posted by NemeBro
We saw Silver Surfer power through Galactus' attempt to eat the planet and then destroy him.

Try harder.

Surfer can fly through a giant cloud you guys!

How did the FF separate Surfer from the Board? Can Manhattan replicate that? Even if not, Surfer is made of matter, which means he can be disintegrated and die. Manhattan is not made of matter, and his physical form is only a vessel, so even if Surfer destroys him, he can just reform. As far as being able to wield planet destroying energy like Galactus, 99% of all nuclear weapons on Earth must have a yield in the petatons.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Post facts not assumptions.
Manhattan once he gets his hands on the Surfer's board also opens many options.

Do I really need to prove X-1 Jean wasn't operating at X-3 level?

I mean...seriously?

And I'm not saying Manhattan loses.

Originally posted by Robtard
It wouldn't matter, that attack you mentioned was a suicide attack. All it would accomplish is Surfer's death, possibly some of his teammates and Manhattan would just reform. So good job, you still took out your most powerful player to only give the other side a mild nuisance, dumbass.

Galactus was not an "energy being" in the film as far as we know. We even see his shadow (which was a shout out to Marvel fans), he's a solid form surrounded by a cloud of some sort, we even see his physical tentacles, iirc.

Manhattan solos here, just face them facts. Surfer the teams best bet, gets manipulated into Play-Doh.


It wasn't a suicide attack, as the Surfer was still shown alive, drifting in space during the post-credits scene.

The core entity within the Saturn-sized dust cloud was an energy being.

Manhattan has nowhere near the feats to compete against the Surfer. The Herald of the Devourer of Worlds soundly beats the God of hyperbole from Watchmen.

Originally posted by ares834
Proof?

Surfer can fly through a giant cloud you guys!


Movie.

A cloud that dwarfed the whole of planet Earth, which he destroyed in one single charge-up of his cosmic energy. Manhattan is grossly outclassed here.

Originally posted by Lestov16
How did the FF separate Surfer from the Board? Can Manhattan replicate that? Even if not, Surfer is made of matter, which means he can be disintegrated and die. Manhattan is not made of matter, and his physical form is only a vessel, so even if Surfer destroys him, he can just reform. As far as being able to wield planet destroying energy like Galactus, 99% of all nuclear weapons on Earth must have a yield in the petatons.

Extreme prep. They spent a lot of time developing special tech that would be able to separate him from his board. Manhattan wouldn't get the time to duplicate the plot-based prep feat achieved via Reed Richards and Dr. Doom working together. Surfer is a high-level matter manipulator himself. Manhattan has no feats to suggest his matter-manip is of a higher level than Surfer's. The Surfer, on the other hand, does. If Norrin decides that Manhattan is dead, then Manhattan will remain dead.

Originally posted by Impediment
What happens when Doc makes multiple copies of himself, points, and explodes people like a frog with an M-80 in it's ass?

Someone please tell me what happens when Doc continuously remakes himself and non-stop teleports multiple copies of himself while exploding people?

Emphasis on the NON-STOP.

^Won't ever happen. There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that Manhattan's matter manip is stronger than that of an entity who is capable of killing planet sized energy beings.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Movie.

Nothing in the movie says he is an energy being and not a giant cloud.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
A cloud that dwarfed the whole of planet Earth, which he destroyed in one single charge-up of his cosmic energy. Manhattan is grossly outclassed here.

Cool. But I'm not debating Surfer's power here only his invulnerability.

Veidt had Manhattan disintegrated and he reformed from nothing. Then, he's shown the ability to clone himself, become intangible, teleport from planet to planet, etc. Just overall is in an entirely separate tier from this group.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
It wasn't a suicide attack, as the Surfer was still shown alive, drifting in space during the post-credits scene.

The core entity within the Saturn-sized dust cloud was an energy being.

Manhattan has nowhere near the feats to compete against the Surfer. The Herald of the Devourer of Worlds soundly beats the God of hyperbole from Watchmen.

Not trying to disclaim your argument or anything, but besides the Galactus buster; what did Surfer do that puts him above Manhattan?

If the Fantastic four could separate Surfer from the Board, can't Manhattan just rebuild that same technology and do the same?

What's to say he would need technology?

Very true. Manhattan is basically a low-level Q in that he doesn't exist in our spatial dimension and thus his physical form is only a vessel of himself.

Originally posted by ares834
Nothing in the movie says he is an energy being and not a giant cloud.

Cool. But I'm not debating Surfer's power here only his invulnerability.


Movie shows his energy form when Surfer is at the core of the space cloud.

Could only be hurt when separated from his board. A tachyon generator was required to do so.

Manhattan probably won't even be able to glean this bit of information on how to separate the Surfer from his board, as his vision gets phucked up anywhere tachyons are involved.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Not trying to disclaim your argument or anything, but besides the Galactus buster; what did Surfer do that puts him above Manhattan?

What did Manhattan do that puts him above the Surfer's level?