Originally posted by h1a8
When WW is going up against a top level fighter and her powers aren't being displayed then yes her powers are off. The same reasoning of why Superman's super speed and senses sometimes get shut off in comics.
I know it's stupid but this is comics we are talking about. Unless you want to argue that highly skilled humans can normally fight WW (a being who can lift more than millions of tons and move limbs faster than light on a regular) and hold their own or reason why Superman's powers get ignore sometimes.Ok I can try to post some scans of WW showing MA ability when I get home. But this is subjective and not quantifiable. So it would seem a waste of time to convince you. It takes common sense and some experience in fighting to actually see differences in fighting ability. I know about parrying, blocking, kicking, countering, and pressure points. WW has display those skills very well. Her agility is up there too.
Well I think Thor can as I favor the fighter and speed more. Maybe it's closer to 60-40 in Thor's favor IDK. At least you understand I'm not D.C. bias though. Just look at the characters who I favor (are they faster or are they more skilled?).
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So based on absolutely nothing, Wonder Woman is suddenly human level when she faces street level characters in combat? Even when she displays superhuman powers? How do you even expect me to respond to bullshit like this other than with the report button? Glad that I can argue away any low Thor showing by saying he was just inexplicably depowered when discussing shit with you.
Still sticking to Wonder Woman being an A-list fighter (While Hercules/Thor are C-list or whatever) on absolutely nothing? I mean besides being the greatest Amazon warrior because somehow that's conclusive evidence. I like how you side stepped my question on whether that applies to Hercules/Thor though.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless someone can prove that Diana can consciously "shut off" her powers, the idea should be dropped, tbh.And no, it's not nearly the same thing as Superman's speed.
She may not be able to "shut them off" but she clearly is able to hold back to an incredible degree or she would not even be able to spar with characters like Black Canary. To imply that she is using her super strength or speed in these sparring sessions is equally as baseless as implying that she can just shut them off. It is entirely counter-intuitive.
I know that some will not be satisfied until we see a depowered WW doing some of the same things, but I don't think the BC fight can be so easily discarded. Dinah's thoughts in that scene clearly show that WW is not using her powers. Now, you can of course argue what constitutes her "powers" or to what degree she is holding back. Given the characters portrayals during those sessions and the consistent praise WW has received from characters like Batman and BC, it is quite logical to conclude that her skill level is very high. How high? Again, that is debatable, but I would not give anyone but a dedicated martial artist an advantage over her in skill.
As for this fight, even if you rate them equal in strength and skill, or rate Hercules slightly stronger, she still has an overwhelming speed advantage. That's not even factoring in flight. She wins a solid majority.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHow would you explain a human being able to block a strike from a being who can lift more than a million tons? With her ftl reflexes does she see batman moving in super statue motion and purposely gets hit by him?
😂So based on absolutely nothing, Wonder Woman is suddenly human level when she faces street level characters in combat? Even when she displays superhuman powers? How do you even expect me to respond to bullshit like this other than with the report button? Glad that I can argue away any low Thor showing by saying he was just inexplicably depowered when discussing shit with you.
Still sticking to Wonder Woman being an A-list fighter (While Hercules/Thor are C-list or whatever) on absolutely nothing? I mean besides being the greatest Amazon warrior because somehow that's conclusive evidence. I like how you side stepped my question on whether that applies to Hercules/Thor though.
How would you explain all that? Where are her powers? Does she pretend or do the writer ignore them?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Unless someone can prove that Diana can consciously "shut off" her powers, the idea should be dropped, tbh.And no, it's not nearly the same thing as Superman's speed.
It would be very hard to explain how the strikes of a being who can lift in access of millions of tons are blocked by human opponents?
Also when fighting she doesn't see batman or lady shiva moving in super statue slow motion where she purposely gets hit by them.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx👆
She may not be able to "shut them off" but she clearly is able to hold back to an incredible degree or she would not even be able to spar with characters like Black Canary. To imply that she is using her super strength or speed in these sparring sessions is equally as baseless as implying that she can just shut them off. It is entirely counter-intuitive.I know that some will not be satisfied until we see a depowered WW doing some of the same things, but I don't think the BC fight can be so easily discarded. Dinah's thoughts in that scene clearly show that WW is not using her powers. Now, you can of course argue what constitutes her "powers" or to what degree she is holding back. Given the characters portrayals during those sessions and the consistent praise WW has received from characters like Batman and BC, it is quite logical to conclude that her skill level is very high. How high? Again, that is debatable, but I would not give anyone but a dedicated martial artist an advantage over her in skill.
As for this fight, even if you rate them equal in strength and skill, or rate Hercules slightly stronger, she still has an overwhelming speed advantage. That's not even factoring in flight. She wins a solid majority.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Stronger and more durable.
Let's entertain your notions though. Let's assume he is stronger and more durable (lmao). Then it is by a little bit where it doesn't really make a difference. It's not like he is significantly stronger or more durable right. So her speed is vastly more than his and she is more skilled in fighting. Those advantages (especially the first) outweigh the slight strength and durability advantage he has over her. It isn't like she failed to seriously hurt or rock a much stronger and more durable being in Superman or other comparable beings. .
Originally posted by h1a8She was easily ko'd and her wrist was easily broken there. Hulk a stronger being has never sonned Herc that easily.
How is he stronger? Diana was shown to match CM, hurt Superman, Konvict, etc. Have her strength be greater than D. C. Hercules (who achieved the same trials).
How is he more durable? She survive a blow from an amped Superman that knocked her from the Sun to Earth in a moment.Let's entertain your notions though. Let's assume he is stronger and more durable (lmao). Then it is by a little bit where it doesn't really make a difference. It's not like he is significantly stronger or more durable right. So her speed is vastly more than his and she is more skilled in fighting. Those advantages (especially the first) outweigh the slight strength and durability advantage he has over her. It isn't like she failed to seriously hurt or rock a much stronger and more durable being in Superman or other comparable beings. .
Herc and Thor are stronger than WW. There's a reason she can't hang with the big dogs.
Originally posted by quanchi112by an amped Superman. SUPERMAN is a good deal stronger too. A much stronger Superman failed to break her face when he punched her across space with all his might.
She was easily ko'd and her wrist was easily broken there. Hulk a stronger being has never sonned Herc that easily.Herc and Thor are stronger than WW. There's a reason she can't hang with the big dogs.
You just can't cherry pick low showings and establish them as her power level for a forum fight. You do that all the time. That's trolling in a way. We use full capacity here.
So again what are you saying? Herc is significantly stronger than her? If so then by how much or how many times do you believe?
Originally posted by h1a8He was not amped when he took her to the sun with his strength.
by an amped Superman. SUPERMAN is a good deal stronger too. A much stronger Superman failed to break her face when he punched her across space with all his might.You just can't cherry pick low showings and establish them as her power level for a forum fight. You do that all the time. That's trolling in a way. We use full capacity here.
So again what are you saying? Herc is significantly stronger than her? If so then by how much or how many times do you believe?
That fight makes it obvious she can't compete with him unless she uses her skill. Same thing with Herc cept he is skilled as well.
He is stronger and more durable so she loses.