Mjolnir VS GL Power Ring

Started by curryman10 pages

Originally posted by Newjak
Even if you have read every issue of GL it doesn't mean you can duplicate it. Remember the ring still has limits based on yourself. It isn't infinite.

And most times even if you read every issue of GL you still wouldn't think or be good enough to use the ring in that way.

You're not responding to my points, you're just repeating yourself here 😛

Yes, okay, very well. I've understood that not everybody would be able to think of something more creative than a hammer when trying to break something.

Fortunately, the ring helps you in several ways.

- Weakness detection.
- Educates you.
- Instantly feed stuff to your head.
- Superhuman perception.
- You do not need to know how things work.

Kyle has a good comment in Morrison's run. "I'm your worst nightmare, manga-buff with a power-ring." And it really is that simple. Just steal shit.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I'd wreck you all with a Green Lantern ring uhuh

I was waiting for Blair to show up. I rest my case.

😛

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I'd wreck you all with a Green Lantern ring uhuh

uhuh

Also, I pretty much agree with everything that Digi and Curry have said.

Originally posted by Digi
I was waiting for Blair to show up. I rest my case.

😛

Including this.

Lets not lie Digi. You, Leo, Delph, Jake, Smurph, myself. We would be monster GLs (assumption made that willpower was something we all had)

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I'd wreck you all with a Green Lantern ring uhuh
You're actually one of the people I think would do well with a GL ring 😛

Originally posted by curryman
You're not responding to my points, you're just repeating yourself here 😛

Yes, okay, very well. I've understood that not everybody would be able to think of something more creative than a hammer when trying to break something.

Fortunately, the ring helps you in several ways.

- Weakness detection.
- Educates you.
- Instantly feed stuff to your head.
- Superhuman perception.
- You do not need to know how things work.

Kyle has a good comment in Morrison's run. "I'm your worst nightmare, manga-buff with a power-ring." And it really is that simple. Just steal shit.

Alright I will address your points. Those features aren't always on. After all there is a GL training camp for a reason. They have never been instant, this is what you need to do to win, otherwise the ring wouldn't need the ring bearer at all.

Thor's powers gives you superhuman perception.

You need to know how things work more than what you need with the hammer. Most of the time using the magic hammer is as simple as, I want something to happen magically it happens much like the ring.

That's the same self indulgent thinking that most nerds like to think about when they consider themselves with powers. Obviously since I've read the comics I will bea bigger bad@$$ then the actual characters.

I hate to tell you this you're not going to go around automatically using every exotic power the GL ring can pull off.Know why willpower, you're probably not really that creative enough to do it. In the heat of battle odds are your brain has been programmed to resort to things that are common for you to do.

Being creative and having a good imagination is just not something everybody walks around with. Not everyone can think outside of the box.

You acting like you cold use the ring even half as well as Kyle just because you read comics is a self-indulgent fantasy.

I have lots of willpower I guess since I hurt myself a lot, but my imagination and knowledge of how things work is limited to cartoons, buildings, and porn

Am I going to drop a bifold door on someone, or shoot a big nailer at someone, like really?

Mjolnir would be 'easiest' for someone just looking for a good time. Sure you'd lack some things, but most powers would be available right away and you'd have a sort of static power level. Plus natural super strength

Originally posted by Blair Wind
Including this.

Lets not lie Digi. You, Leo, Delph, Jake, Smurph, myself. We would be monster GLs (assumption made that willpower was something we all had)

😂

Agreed. Nice to see someone else on board. Friggin' Newjak was trying to tell me that it was a compliment that I'd be exhausted after a single blast...

Originally posted by Digi
😂

Agreed. Nice to see someone else on board. Friggin' Newjak was trying to tell me that it was a compliment that I'd be exhausted after a single blast...

It was uhuh

Of course I think 99% of the people in this world couldn't even fire a single shot 😛 Most would be lucky just to get it to light up.

Originally posted by Newjak

Alright I will address your points. Those features aren't always on. After all there is a GL training camp for a reason. They have never been instant, this is what you need to do to win, otherwise the ring wouldn't need the ring bearer at all.

Those features are always on.

Johns' run, that's hot it went. Even in DCNU the ring will inform new users about its capabilities, etc.

Obviously the wielder is there for several other reasons, as well as that. Specifically because they needed someone who could be held accountable, in stark contrast to the Manhunters, and the ring still needs to be fed willpower.

Originally posted by Newjak
That's the same self indulgent thinking that most nerds like to think about when they consider themselves with powers. Obviously since I've read the comics I will bea bigger bad@$$ then the actual characters.

Some kind of veiled insult?

Obviously since you've read a lot about a subject you would have more knowledge about that subject than someone who has not. Not sure how far you've ever ventured into the field of psychology here, but once things have been introduced to you, that's where your mind will go almost instantly. In many ways, seeing Hal create a giant green hammer has done more harm than good.

And if you want to try and bring down the nerds consider a couple of things, mostly backed by studies in social psychology (my field).

Any gamer (especially those who do shooting games) registers a far higher reaction time than people who do not. People who read a lot/immerse themselves in the arts show far greater creative ability than people who do not. I won't go into the obvious creative benefits of people who work with engineering, math, robotics, other typical "nerd" jobs.

And finally, if there's any trait that unites most of the "nerds" is that they're on average smarter than other people, and a hell of a lot more prone to getting lost in fantasies. The domain of a power ring.

Originally posted by Newjak
I hate to tell you this you're not going to go around automatically using every exotic power the GL ring can pull off.Know why willpower, you're probably not really that creative enough to do it. In the heat of battle odds are your brain has been programmed to resort to things that are common for you to do.

I can after I sit down for 24 hours and listen to what the ring tells me it can do. Literally, there are scans of this.

In the heat of battle? Nonsense. Most of this stuff can be programmed on beforehand. Instant-reconstitution of your body, a safe haven for your consciousness, auto-shields. Hell, the ring can feed all sorts of drugs into your system to keep you calm, and at the same time keep the harmful effects off you.

Yes, the willpower. The real big issue here. This is all assuming that I actually have the willpower to fuel these ideas. If I don't, then I don't, and if I do then I do. That's besides the point of creativity though.

Originally posted by Newjak
Being creative and having a good imagination is just not something everybody walks around with. Not everyone can think outside of the box.

You acting like you cold use the ring even half as well as Kyle just because you read comics is a self-indulgent fantasy.

Not everybody walks around with a good imagination and being creative. Comic-book nerds more often than not, do. Writers, artists, people who create stuff. Creative people are creative. And while I'm sure that the part of the board that inhales MMA, and whatever other shit's the media's trying to streamline into your head might struggle a bit, this is a group of people who have been gathered here by their love of comic-books. A creative work, if nothing else.

And please, spare me the implication that Kyle's somehow more competent than any of us. The whole concept of him (beyond cashing in on some awkward early 90s Nintendo-radical dude phase) is that any loser with creativity can do well with the ring. He's a street-rat artist.

If I'm gonna believe you can wield a ring in real life I better hear some real life testimonials as to what your awesome willpower has done for you.

Originally posted by Newjak
It was uhuh

Of course I think 99% of the people in this world couldn't even fire a single shot 😛 Most would be lucky just to get it to light up.

I guess if that's the competition, thanks for the compliment.

I'd go old school with my oath too, and bust out Alan's original oath.

Or even better, the Duck Dodgers Lantern Oath:

"In blackest day or brightest night,
Watermelon, cantaloupe, yadda yadda,
er...superstitious and cowardly lot,
with liberty and justice for all!"

Originally posted by JayDaDon
If I'm gonna believe you can wield a ring in real life I better hear some real life testimonials as to what your awesome willpower has done for you.

Why don't you try gathering your willpower and read the part where I specifically mention that 🙂

Say you pick up either item.

As a noob, with the ring you benefit from an A.I. to instruct you on the uses, and limitations of the ring.

With the Mallet, Bill or Eric did not benefit from such assistance. Its a bit more of trail by fire.

Originally posted by curryman
Those features are always on.

Johns' run, that's hot it went. Even in DCNU the ring will inform new users about its capabilities, etc.

Obviously the wielder is there for several other reasons, as well as that. Specifically because they needed someone who could be held accountable, in stark contrast to the Manhunters, and the ring still needs to be fed willpower.

Some kind of veiled insult?

Obviously since you've read a lot about a subject you would have more knowledge about that subject than someone who has not. Not sure how far you've ever ventured into the field of psychology here, but once things have been introduced to you, that's where your mind will go almost instantly. In many ways, seeing Hal create a giant green hammer has done more harm than good.

And if you want to try and bring down the nerds consider a couple of things, mostly backed by studies in social psychology (my field).

Any gamer (especially those who do shooting games) registers a far higher reaction time than people who do not. People who read a lot/immerse themselves in the arts show far greater creative ability than people who do not. I won't go into the obvious creative benefits of people who work with engineering, math, robotics, other typical "nerd" jobs.

And finally, if there's any trait that unites most of the "nerds" is that they're on average smarter than other people, and a hell of a lot more prone to getting lost in fantasies. The domain of a power ring.

I can after I sit down for 24 hours and listen to what the ring tells me it can do. Literally, there are scans of this.

In the heat of battle? Nonsense. Most of this stuff can be programmed on beforehand. Instant-reconstitution of your body, a safe haven for your consciousness, auto-shields. Hell, the ring can feed all sorts of drugs into your system to keep you calm, and at the same time keep the harmful effects off you.

Yes, the willpower. The real big issue here. This is all assuming that I actually have the willpower to fuel these ideas. If I don't, then I don't, and if I do then I do. That's besides the point of creativity though.

Not everybody walks around with a good imagination and being creative. Comic-book nerds more often than not, do. Writers, artists, people who create stuff.[b] Creative people are creative. And while I'm sure that the part of the board that inhales MMA, and whatever other shit's the media's trying to streamline into your head might struggle a bit, this is a group of people who have been gathered here by their love of comic-books. A creative work, if nothing else.

And please, spare me the implication that Kyle's somehow more competent than any of us. The whole concept of him (beyond cashing in on some awkward early 90s Nintendo-radical dude phase) is that any loser with creativity can do well with the ring. He's a street-rat artist. [/B]

Yet not everyone who has the ring uses it in the same way. There are plenty of times when one GL's feat would be helpful in another's situation but for some reason it never happens. Because the actions of the ring are still tied to the mind of the person. Learning the capabilities of something does not mean you can use those capabilities to their fullest.

It's not insult. Most people like to believe they can duplicate the things they see but unfortunately we are humans beings with limitations physically and mentally. Recognizing those limitations isn't bad or an insult. And being creative is a talent and sadly most people don't possess it as a strength.

Yes writer's and artists tend to lean that way when their minds are developing I'm not arguing that but being a fan of comic books does not auto equate to being super creative.

Understanding something capabilities also does not mean you can use those abilities to their fullest. Or that you even have a chance. Remember the ring still has limits and often times those limits are not just because of the ring but also the wielder.

Kyle like most comic book characters are arguably better at anytthing their human counter parts can do. So you might consider yourself creative you'll never be as creative as a fictional character where it's their main ability. Why because often times they transcend human limits even mentally.

The point Kyle doesn't have to have limits you unfortunately do. Odds are you'll never be able to use the ring half as well as Kyle could even if you're creative by human standards. Or Hal, John, even Guy.

Perhaps I'm wrong you happen to be one of the creative people here who could use the ring halfway decent but you're the minority. Most people simply won't even comic book nerds.

With a hammer, the practical uses are pretty pathetic in the real world. Hammer a nail, fly, create a storm.

With a GL ring: life-like women for sex, handjobs, blow jobs, constructs of any kind, flight, TK, etc.

I don't see the downside to having a ring.

Originally posted by Digi
I guess if that's the competition, thanks for the compliment.

I'd go old school with my oath too, and bust out Alan's original oath.

Or even better, the Duck Dodgers Lantern Oath:

"In blackest day or brightest night,
Watermelon, cantaloupe, yadda yadda,
er...superstitious and cowardly lot,
with liberty and justice for all!"

😂

I loved that episode of Duck Dodgers.

I'm trying to be realistic. Most people like to pretend they would be able to do this stuff, but most won't.

I'm sorry, Newjak just claimed that Kyle's creativity transcended possible human creativity.

I'm out!

^Not an insult btw, but we're not getting anywhere.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
With a hammer, the practical uses are pretty pathetic in the real world. Hammer a nail, fly, create a storm.

With a GL ring: life-like women for sex, handjobs, blow jobs, constructs of any kind, flight, TK, etc.

I don't see the downside to having a ring.

If I had Thor's power I wouldn't need that I could get real women to do all that for me 😉

Plus long life, the hammer can do all manner of things like open portals, control the elements, transmutate things, heal people, become invisible, bring people back to life.

Originally posted by curryman
I'm sorry, Newjak just claimed that Kyle's creativity transcended possible human creativity.

I'm out!

He's a comic book character they tend to do that. Just like Hal Jordan probably has more willpower than any real life person because he is a comic book character and can theoretically have infinite willpower. Something I think has been stated on panel before.

Kyle is a fictional character that can transcend human limitations because he isn't actual flesh and blood.

Originally posted by Newjak
He's a comic book character they tend to do that. Just like Hal Jordan probably has more willpower than any real life person because he is a comic book character and can theoretically have infinite willpower. Something I think has been stated on panel before.

Kyle is a fictional character that can transcend human limitations because he isn't actual flesh and blood.

Willpower is one thing.

I'm arguing creativity. That's been made abundantly clear bro.

Kyle's written by comic-book writers who find themselves on the lower end of the creativity-spectrum. He's not more creative than real manga fans/artists.

Originally posted by curryman
Willpower is one thing.

I'm arguing creativity. That's been made abundantly clear bro.

It was an example bro.

It's something common in comics. For instance there probably exists a comic where it is stated Kyle has infinite creativity.

Would you say a real life human being has or could have infinite creativity? Because Kyle could.

Kyle is as creative as the comic needs him to be.

Unfortunately you aren't. You're stuck with what you got, and I honestly don't see too many people here being able to do half the stuff they claim to.

And once again this bypasses the very real limitations of the ring because the ring itself has limits.