Wolverine vs. Captain America

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I dont think anyone is arguing that Cap is going to be manhandling, Logan. The only reason Caps strength is advantageous in this scenario is because of his shield. Caps strength means dick in this fight without his shield. Without his shield, Cap doesnt have a chance against Logans healing factor, adamantium skeleton and claws. However, none of those traits and features are enough to overcome the potential caps shield has. Granted, all Wolverine needs to do is separate Cap from his shield. If he can do that for any extended period of time, Cap doesn't have a chance. However, i think Wolverine being forced to be on the offensive leads him to an early KO

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Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
With all that said, there is still no way Cap can kill Wolverine,

I'm sure he can figure out what to do with a KO'd Wolverine. Especially if he's working for SHIELD. So a KO should count as a definite win.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
I would let you have that one, man even if it's a poor excuse because standing back up from getting shot in the head and seeing the wound heal would be just a freaky to people...,but it's happened twice.

In Wolverine: Origins, he got shot in the head by Agent Zero (multiple times?). Didn't even phase him. Seemed to anger him, even more.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
If the two of them square off and lunge at each other.., Wolverine is flying full force with his claws and adamantium and cap with his enhanced strength and Shield...,Caps shield absorbs all of the force from Wolverine (because that's what the shield does) and Wolverine..,well Wolverine absorbs all of Captain Americas strength from behind his shield while Cap absorbs none. Wolverine would be forced to be on the constant attack and that's where, i think, Cap out wits Wolverine. Either way that shield is going to be making contact to Wolverines skull and i don't have much faith in the movie adaptation of Wolverines skull.

These are all good points. But, one thing to consider is this: Wolverine is a warrior from many wars. He's got tactics. He won't just continue to waste his time on effortless mess. After he figures out his efforts on Cap's shield are useless, he'll adapt.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Wolverine took an inhuman amount of damage and kept fighting without his healing factor in the latest movie.

Quite frankly I see Wolverine winning 8/10

That's a reasonable estimate. My battle sim said 9+/10.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
With all that said, there is still no way Cap can kill Wolverine,

Unless specified otherwise by the OP, a KO counts as a win.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Quite frankly I see Wolverine winning 8/10

That's too many Imo.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
That's too many Imo.

You're right: there's just no way Captain America is pulling off two wins.

Lol Wolverine wasn't invincible. Someone strong with an indestructible weapon can definitely KO him.

Then given Cap's level of strength, speed, agility plus an incvincible shield to protect him from Wolverine's claws, then it's pretty clear Wolverine would have to really work for the win, and Cap will take his fair share of wins.

The bullets in Origins deflected off his skull. In X2, he was KTFO by a direct hit by a bullet.

Originally posted by abhilegend
The bullets in Origins deflected off his skull. In X2, he was KTFO by a direct hit by a bullet.

Logan was in rare berserker mode when he got shot in Origins.
He tanked it.
In X2 he was the Logan we all know in film.
In The Wolverine he was getting a beat down by Yakuza with steel pipes. Although Logan lacked a HF he still retained his strength and agility.

If Cap jumps and keeps keeps smart (which he has shown).
Run and guns throwing his shield around cover and retains it.
And eventually smacks Logan into wobblyness.
Repeated blows to the head with the shield WILL cause a forum KO.

Movie Cap wins against Movie Logan 7/8 out of 10 times.

My reasoning?
Movie Cap is closer to the comic version than Logan, who barely scrapes the barrel at being close to his comic counterpart.

Originally posted by the ninjak
...Logan, who barely scrapes the barrel at being close to his comic counterpart.

This times million.

I think that has been my biggest issue with the Wolverine character. He is not nearly as agile, speedy, etc. as the comic book wolverine.

Also, when he went "berserk" after getting his metal, it was not nearly satisfying enough. That whole sequence could have been done much better.

It saddens me when the movies just don't get the comics. I am generally of the opinion that audio and video media is a better format than just visual 2D media. So I expect it to do better with the source material. I mean, WTF was wrong with making the movie more like the comic book for that particular sequence? It would have translated very well to the screen.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This times million.

I think that has been my biggest issue with the Wolverine character. He is not nearly as agile, speedy, etc. as the comic book wolverine.

Also, when he went "berserk" after getting his metal, it was not nearly satisfying enough. That whole sequence could have been done much better.

It saddens me when the movies just don't get the comics. I am generally of the opinion that audio and video media is a better format than just visual 2D media. So I expect it to do better with the source material. I mean, WTF was wrong with making the movie more like the comic book for that particular sequence? It would have translated very well to the screen.

Because Logan is the best at what he does.

And what he does isn't good for family viewing.

So they toned him down. Even in this new film he is swearing. And killing guys off screen. Which you could see the limitations from a mile away in regards to censorship.

The Wolverine I want to see on film or TV. Is a Logan leaping through the air. Arms flailing with a freaking fan. Saliva splattering out of his mouth. Cyborg limbs flying apart.
Him landing , looking behind him and seeing everything that got in his way sliced apart!

Maybe in the future we'll get a fan made video.

But I know comic Logan.....and the film version doesn't even come close to it.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Because Logan is the best at what he does.

And what he does isn't good for family viewing.

So they toned him down. Even in this new film he is swearing. And killing guys off screen. Which you could see the limitations from a mile away in regards to censorship.

The Wolverine I want to see on film or TV. Is a Logan leaping through the air. Arms flailing with a freaking fan. Saliva splattering out of his mouth. Cyborg limbs flying apart.
Him landing , looking behind him and seeing everything that got in his way sliced apart!

Maybe in the future we'll get a fan made video.

But I know comic Logan.....and the film version doesn't even come close to it.

Well it's not like we need Wolverine to start hacking people apart to make him closer to his comic counterpart. Even if they just got him closer to his cartoon counterpart I would be satisfied.

Problem with the Jackman version is that he's too polished. I'd say he was closer to James Bond than Wolverine. He lacks the gruffness, rudeness, badassery, mental imbalance and almost animal-like behavior of Wolverine. And he doesn't go berserk nearly good enough. If we could get all those characteristics in a live action Wolverine, then it doesn't matter if he kills people or not, he would at least have retained the principle characteristics of Wolverine.