There no two seperate things here being argued.I said reflex speeds cannot greatly exceed running speed.--Factually completely true and logically sound--.
Yes, they are. You argue simultaneously that fiction is flawed and we should use IRL logic to fix them, and that it is not flawed and that they are aware of this illogical problem and address it, ie, that the problem does not exist.
Perfectly sound in real life where no one moves FTL or breaks multiple machs at sea level or fights titans or deities, or even fights inside stars, or moves black holes.
And unlike you, I was actually showing malleability and awareness of the medium in question the entire time since I gave caveats as well; i.e. Its passable if the writer says it explicitly--even if its stupid.
Put the claws away, boyo, they've no purpose here. I'm entirely aware of the strangeness of fiction and I've given examples of it rubbing me the wrong way and going against all logic, this does not mean I get to disregard it as much as I'd like to. This
is awareness of the medium.
I use what fiction shows me and tells me to the best of my ability. Fiction has shown me that you can have high reflex and combat speed characters capable of fighting and keeping up with actual speedsters who themselves are not speedsters with great running speed or the like. This is just how it is.
Let us not pretend now that plot suddenly not matters and is forgivable, when in our discussions when we're trying eliminate that factor altogether by creating hyptothetical situations of fight scenarios that take place in no other area than our mind, which is not published, consumable story material.
We sort of agree on this point but the way in which we agree on it isn't going to make you do a happy dance.
Plot is separate from the displayed abilities of the characters in question. shrug I'll happily disregard lowshowings and general lowballing as well as outlandishly high showings that are obviously not applicable to a v.s. match, things that happened that are incongruous that had to happen because the plot said make it so.
This doesn't mean that I accept that all non-speedsters lack reaction time, because this detail is not tied to plot.
I've given examples of extreme versions of this sort of thing irking me, Wolverine v.s. Thor, for example, but that is where the actual abilities of the characters involved change to make things interesting for the plot resulting in a character looking vastly better than he is. This does not eliminate all instances ever of it happening, and is not tied to speedsters v.s. reaction time so much as my hatred for inconsistency within fiction in general.
The numbers aren't equivalent at all. And that's what I was focusing on the entire time. Numbers. I know what I've been talking about and my points have been clear, yours, on the other hand, not so much.
My points have been crystal clear, I engage you on this in detail because I consider you a generally respectable poster, do not try my patience by insinuating I am not.
My point can actually be summed up in a single sentence:
Your logical breakdown of why something is impossible doesn't matter, because fiction chooses to allow it to happen, like many other illogical or impossible things.
Originally posted by Sacred 117
You left Marcus out of that equation, and you also discounted Jak's eco powers as well as Fox's experience with magic. I'd say you're right about Link and Kratos taking each other first. I personally believe Link would take that for reasons previously stated. There's just a few things you're missing that need be taken into consideration.
Link v.s. Kratos honestly does determine this thread. Omni-Link should come out on top in that regard. Though I'm sure I'm forgetting something important about Kratos' partner. I can't remember whether Moo was a big fan of Ratchet and Clank or Jak and Daxter, but I know he said one of those had some hax stuff. It still shouldn't tip the balance all too much.
Team Microsoft really is best off hiding in a hole as was said above. mmm
Waiting on Tzeetnch._ to tell us all MC soloes, though. He's late.