Originally posted by The_Tempest
Intrepid kicked your ass, bro. Team 1 has this in the bag.
Sure thing. His lazy, one-sentence replies sure did floor me.
With laughter.
Also, you yourself claimed that Maul and Scourge are comparable.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
It kind of is.
My argument already convinced Col. Valerian. It cannot be that outrageous.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
And you're a selfish douchebag.
I'm... selfish? That's.... an odd insult? Why am I selfish? Plus I think you fit the description of a douchebag considering you randomly insulted me out of nowhere.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
And if they were all the caliber of Quinlan Vos, he'd beaten 100 Quinlan Vos'es, which hardly is impressive.
Quinlan Vos doesn't even remotely have what it takes to catch the Emperor's notice. Scourge is sent after 'Jedi who become too powerful or Sith who become too ambitious.' He's not sent after small fry like Vos. And as I alluded to, Vitiate is highly seclusive. Any Jedi or Sith who actually manage to catch his attention would surely be forces to be reckoned with.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Like you?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Never did.
O RLY? You seem to be ignoring the feats and skills of Malgus and Dooku and blindly trumpeting Dooku and Mauls. You're very close-minded.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
This is the Krayt vs Dooku thread all over again where experience suddenly is the big shit.
Well having greater experience in combat sure is a point in your favor. But you seem to think that its just about 'experience'. No, experience is merely the pathway to being more skilled in combat. Its like if you have a chef who's really well trained. He might be a good chef, but he probably isn't going to be as good a chef as the guy who's trained just as much, but is extremely experienced in actually cooking in a restaurant. He's a better cook because he's actually cooked a lot more than him. Just like Scourge has fought and killed a lot more people than Maul has.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Right, and I guess Scourge is beating Dooku because Scourge has more experience, right?
Now I didn't say he'd beat him. He'd definitely give him a good fight though.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maul beat Jinn who had more experience than him. Savage beat Plo Koon who's had more experience than him. Anakin has fought evenly with Dooku who had more experience than him. Dooku's held his own against Yoda who's had more experience than him...
Yeah no shit. I'm not saying that experience is the mother of all things that instantly makes you win. All I'm saying is that Scourge is probably just as skilled if not more skilled than Maul because he's got a lot more combat experience than him, he's fought a lot more people than Maul has and he's killed something like 300 times as many powerful opponents as Maul has. All those examples you mentioned were of people doing well despite their disadvantage in terms of experience and skill.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Then I'd like an example of superior experience being the tie-breaker.
There are countless examples in all of fiction.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
And because the dark side is quicker it means that Sidious can obtain the 800 years difference between them?
It means he can reach the same level as him in a shorter amount of time. That's what 'quicker and easier' means, doofus.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sucks for him that he's in a lack of feat.
Haha, what?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The only point you're making is that because of his experience, Scourge can beat Maul despite lacking the feats.
Bro, killing over 1100 powerful opponents is the feat. I'm merely extrapolating from that that Scourge is obviously an incredibly experienced and skilled combatant.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah, it does, because all of it requires him to be a skilled swordsman. Beating 100 Quinlan Vos'es is hardly requires Scourge to be skilled.
You don't think any of the 1100 Jedi and Sith Scourge killed were maybe as good as Maul or close to him?
Plus it would be 1100 Quinlan Vos. And yeah, if someone kicked Vos' ass that many times he'd probably have some sick skillz.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
On the basis of that, Maul is a more powerful Force practioner than Scourge. His victory is assured.
So do you accept that Combat effeciency is not much more important than power or not?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
If you're talking about RotJ, Vader did not have much more combat effeciency, so this is not a valid point.
Bluh bluh yes he did. He was a far superior swordsman and Force practitioner.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Give the exact excerpt.
I don't care enough about it to do that. Its an annoying book to flip through.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Alright, you think beating 100 Quinlan Vos'es (whom Dooku ragdolled and stomped effortlessly) is as impressive as Dooku?
Beating 100 Quinlan Vos'es at once would be as impressive as Dooku, yes. Also:
And again, it would be 1100 Quinlan Vos'es.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Perhaps?
Yes?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Maul has that ability.
Not to the same extent, if at all (first I've heard about it). Scourge gorges himself on his opponents fear and hate and it drastically increases his powers.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Except Malgus has no power advantage.
His Force powers are more devastating. And he overpowered a Jedi who collapsed 2 buildings on him, when he was already wounded. He was able to hold a dropship in place for a time, resisting the force of its thrusters. He gained a big boost in power since then.
^Malgus is not > Dooku in TK or the force. Dooku has better feats such as lifting tons of huge orbalisks with the force.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfIEdlba5ZQ
and collapsing a giant metal bridge with ease
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1ieRQ-4BB4
0:19
tooling Sora Bulq with force lightning one of the best duelists in the order and master of all 7 forms.
http://i72.servimg.com/u/f72/18/42/53/04/sorapw10.jpg
So idg how Malgus>Dooku in the force.... But Malgus is close.
Originally posted by Nephthys
My argument already convinced Col. Valerian. It cannot be that outrageous.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm... selfish? That's.... an odd insult? Why am I selfish? Plus I think you fit the description of a douchebag considering you randomly insulted me out of nowhere.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Quinlan Vos doesn't even remotely have what it takes to catch the Emperor's notice. Scourge is sent after 'Jedi who become too powerful or Sith who become too ambitious.' He's not sent after small fry like Vos. And as I alluded to, Vitiate is highly seclusive. Any Jedi or Sith who actually manage to catch his attention would surely be forces to be reckoned with.
Give me some feats for whom Scourge killed or drop the point.
Originally posted by Nephthys
O RLY? You seem to be ignoring the feats and skills of Malgus and Dooku and blindly trumpeting Dooku and Mauls. You're very close-minded.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Well having greater experience in combat sure is a point in your favor. But you seem to think that its just about 'experience'. No, experience is merely the pathway to being more skilled in combat. Its like if you have a chef who's really well trained. He might be a good chef, but he probably isn't going to be as good a chef as the guy who's trained just as much, but is extremely experienced in actually cooking in a restaurant. He's a better cook because he's actually cooked a lot more than him. Just like Scourge has fought and killed a [b]lot more people than Maul has. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
Now I didn't say he'd beat him. He'd definitely give him a good fight though.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah no shit. I'm not saying that experience is the mother of all things that instantly makes you win. All I'm saying is that Scourge is probably just as skilled if not more skilled than Maul because he's got a lot more combat experience than him, he's fought a lot more people than Maul has and he's killed something like 300 times as many powerful opponents as Maul has. All those examples you mentioned were of people doing well [b]despite their disadvantage in terms of experience and skill. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
There are countless examples in all of fiction.
Originally posted by Nephthys
It means he can reach the same level as him in a shorter amount of time. That's what 'quicker and easier' means, doofus.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Haha, what?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bro, killing over 1100 powerful opponents [b]is the feat. I'm merely extrapolating from that that Scourge is obviously an incredibly experienced and skilled combatant. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
You don't think any of the 1100 Jedi and Sith Scourge killed were maybe as good as Maul or close to him?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Plus it would be 1100 Quinlan Vos. And yeah, if someone kicked Vos' ass that many times he'd probably have some sick skillz.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So do you accept that Combat effeciency is not much more important than power or not?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bluh bluh yes he did. He was a far superior swordsman and Force practitioner. /B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
[B]I don't care enough about it to do that. Its an annoying book to flip through.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Beating 100 Quinlan Vos'es at once would be as impressive as Dooku, yes. Also:And again, it would be 1100 Quinlan Vos'es.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not to the same extent, if at all (first I've heard about it). Scourge gorges himself on his opponents fear and hate and it drastically increases his powers.
-The Phantom Menace
-Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to The Force
[i]Originally posted by Nephthys
His Force powers are more devastating.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And he overpowered a Jedi who collapsed 2 buildings on him, when he was already wounded. He was able to hold a dropship in place for a time, resisting the force of its thrusters. He gained a big boost in power since then.
Nephthys
Bro, killing over 1100 powerful opponents is the feat. I'm merely extrapolating from that that Scourge is obviously an incredibly experienced and skilled combatant.
No one has denied that Scourge is skilled. But being "incredibly experienced and skilled" doesn't mean he rivals, let alone surpasses, Maul, who is confirmed to be one of the very best in history.
In other words, you're arbitrarily determining Scourge's higher placement from a flawed comparison.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its called making a judgement based on the facts. Just because you disagree with how I weigh the evidence doesn't make it wrong.
Except that your judgment isn't validated by the "facts." You're simply arbitrarily decreeing that Scourge rivals or surpasses Maul. We can determine that Scourge is highly skilled; we cannot determine that he is more skilled than one who is actually (and consistently) recognized as one of the best.
Being recognised as 'one of the best' means ****all and you know. Best out of how many? A thousand? Scourges accomplishments make him certainly "one of the most skilled and deadly warriors in Sith history." For comparisons sake it means nothing.
And my judgement is just as valid as yours. Scourges killcount is astronomical. Most SW characters fight less then 10 powerful opponents in their screentime. Scourge has literally hundreds of times as many notches on his belt. Scourge is already a highly skilled swordsman and Juyo practitioner as of Revan, with 300 years of extra training and battle experience to his name no way is it 'invalid' for me to judge his skills superior to Mauls. To call it arbitrary is laughable.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Being recognised as 'one of the best' means ****all and you know. Best out of how many? A [b]thousand? Scourges accomplishments make him certainly "one of the most skilled and deadly warriors in Sith history." For comparisons sake it means nothing.[/b]
lol @ your delusion that we can create precise comparisons between two characters of different eras. 😂
We deal in quasi-accurate generalities in most scenarios. We have X who is lauded by a number of sources as an elite caliber warrior in the context of galactic history and Y who may qualify as such by merit of his abilities. We have a known and confirmed prodigy being compared to a suspected one.
If you haven't learned by now, I'll not be forthcoming with the benefit of the doubt until you learn to be.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And my judgement is just as valid as yours.
It's not my judgment with which you're contending. I haven't determined either way where Scourge ranks next to other characters. Take it up with the source material that have declared Maul one of the best and have apparently not explicitly determined Scourge as such.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Scourges killcount is astronomical. Most SW characters fight less then 10 powerful opponents in their screentime. Scourge has literally hundreds of times as many notches on his belt. Scourge is already a highly skilled swordsman and Juyo practitioner as of Revan, with 300 years of extra training and battle experience to his name no way is it 'invalid' for me to judge his skills superior to Mauls. To call it arbitrary is laughable.
Then by your reckoning, Scourge must be higher than Bane. And Kas'im. And Krayt. And Sidious. And practically every other warrior in the galaxy of repute, since most of them haven't remotely approached that body count. Somehow I expect you won't commit to that. 😉
Becuase every ****ing time I talk to you you find a way to throw a past argument or something I've said in the past in my face. Or you twist it into some goddamn lecture on something. I've told you to quit it, but you obviously don't care that it pisses me off. So you know what? I don't care either.
I'm done. You're not on ignore, but don't expect me to bother with you from now on.
Nephthys, I don't mean any offense but you're bringing this upon yourself. You called Tempest a prick in the first place.
Secondly, you're taking these threads way too seriously. You used to be a very good sport, but now...
Now you just make me want to feel bad and sit in a corner.
I miss the old Nephthys, who didn't let his emotions run high on the Internet. Pls come back friend, don't shut people out like Tempest when it's your fault. I believe in you. 😄
