Originally posted by Intrepid37
Col. Valerian's agreement to your stance improves the chance of your argument being correct?
No. It makes it less outrageous when other people agree with me though and are swayed by my reasoning.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Quinlan Vos got Dooku's attention.Give me some feats for whom Scourge killed or drop the point.
Because of his power? I think not. Besides which, Dooku is no Vitiate. In power or in terms of not giving a shit.
Nah. The sheer number is more than enough, as is the knowledge that Scourge was only sent after extremely powerful opponents.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm ignoring nothing. I've already posted all of Malgus's feats in another thread. Thing is, I'm not impressed by anything you've posted regarding Scourge (besides his position as the Emperor's right hand, but it's hardly enough in itself to rank him above Team 1's combatants).
Thats fair. Its just that you seem to be only focusing on Dooku and Mauls accomplishment, feats and accolades while not even bothering to compare them to Malgus and Scourges. Thats all.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
This assumes that everyone has the exact same learning curve. Qui-Gon Jinn had more experience than RotS Obi-Wan Kenobi, but I doubt that you'd rank the former above the latter.
True, however you'd have to be a real twit to think that Maul learned more about lightsaber combat and fighting in 20 years than Scourge did in 320 years. Remember that Scourge was already a highly skilled Juyo practitioner before the events of Revan. Which means that he too would have had to have been a 'high-end master of multiple forms.' My argument is simply that because he has had so much time for training and growth and since he's fought so many battles since then, then he logically would have accrued more skill than Maul has in a much lesser amount of time.
Truthfully you hit it on the head on page one. His kill count really does speak for itself.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
How can you possibly say that?
I guess I just rate Scourge higher than you do.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're spewing bullshit around. That Scourge ''probably'' is more skilled than Maul because of his superior combat experience is a bad argument. Maul has mastered more forms, is faster, more powerful, has beaten more impressive foes than Scourge has. It's simple to pick the winner.
No, it isn't. No more than Maul "probably" being more skilled because of your list is a good argument. I'm making logical deductions based off of the evidence. It is not bullshit to conclude that an already highly skilled swordman would become even more highly skilled with 300 years worth of extra training, nigh-unlimited resources and being engaged in regular combat versus powerful opponents. Please tell me where the bullshit is.
Scourge was a Juyo master as of Revan, do you really think that in 300 years he hasn't expanded his skills? So at the worst he's mastered just as many, likely more. Even as an apprentice in the academy his lightsaber instructor's hesitated to face him. He became superior as a Sith Lord. He undoubtably became superior still in 300 years as the Emperor's Wrath.
Faster? Scourge outran automated speeder cannon's. The same cannons designed to track and fire while moving at mach speeds, at other vehicles moving just as fast.
More powerful? Maybe, though Scourge is obviously extremely powerful for Vitiate not to have replaced him in 300 years. Do I need to explain the logic behind Vitiate not finding a more powerful, skilled assassin in 300 as being impressive to you or are you going to write that off too? Revan also says that Scourge has 'incredible potential', which he's surely achieved by Swtor. It also indicates that he's not even close to his peak as of Revan. Also Scourge can just deal with Mauls power with his shield generator. Telekinetically he's able to smash a droid and crack its metal hull:
'Reaching out to grab the drone with the invisible hand of the Force, he slammed it back down to the ground. Its legs snapped off and went flying; its exterior hull cracked in multiple places; several of the welded plates tore loose. All the lights on its body went dim.'
and is proficient enough to use the Force to casually Force choke a man to death without motioning.
More impressive foes? Hahahaha, no. Maul has defeated about 4 impressive foes. Scourge has defeated over a thousand.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Provide one regarding Star Wars.
It isn't that simple. I'm not even arguing that Scourge will win through experience. I'm arguing that his experience will grant him skill and ability in excess of Maul.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
''Shorter amount of time'' has to be really goddamn short since there's a 800 year difference.
This assumes that Yoda was constantly getting better in combat through those 800 years. Which is false. After mastering all lightsaber forms, theres not much more skilled he could have gotten. Which is why Sidious catches up merely by doing the same. Also Yoda likely wasn't constantly practicing for combat, being you know, a Jedi and also Yoda. He was preoccupied with running the Order and teaching Jedi upon his other duties and hobbies. Furthermore Yoda declined with age.
Also, yes, the darkside lets you get that good, that quickly if you're strong enough. See Bane becoming a beast in under a year, Exar Kun defeating centuries old Jedi Masters etc etc.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
He lacks skill feats.
You mean other than defeating 1100 powerful opponents? Also I'm sure he has some feats in Revan.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're making absolutely no point. Give me some feats that compare to Maul's then we'll have a discussion.
Killing over 1100 powerful opponents is the feat. I've also mentioned a few of his other feats throughout this discussion.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nothing suggests it.
Except, you know, common freaking sense. 🙄
Maul isn't some transcendental prodigy, I'm certain there were numerous Jedi and Sith as powerful as him in between Kotor and Tor. There are numerous in the single time-frame of the game for christs sake.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, he wouldn't. Beating Quinlan Vos 1100 times is not more impressive than beating him thrice.
Not more impressive, but it would make you more impressive, as obviously you'd hone your skills in fighting him and become a superior combatant through the experience.
Plus beating him that many time without losing is actually rather impressive.
Also, Scourge was obviously fighting people a hell of a lot better than Quinlan Vos.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not at all. Skill has always proven to be more important than power.
Tell that to Dooku.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Superior Force practitioner? Sure. Swordsman? Not at all: according to the RotJ comic, it was ''a fight of equals''.
😐
Vader is a better swordman than Luke. Luke has no training in swordsmanship whatsoever. Vader is a master of many forms and was complimented by Dooku for his skills.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Scourge beat the 1100 opponents at the same time?
No. I was making fun of the way you phrased it.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're serious?
Yes. I am. 😐
Could you stop it with the incredulous questions? Dooku and Maul are not that damn good that suggestions of parity are met with incredulous skepticism.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
The battle wore on, and for a time it was fought evenly. But Darth Maul was the stronger of the two and was driven by a frenzy that surpassed even the frantic determination that fueled Obi-Wan.-The Phantom Menace
-[i]Jedi vs Sith: Essential Guide to The Force
This is standard for a Sith. Scourge is beyond that:
'“The Force runs through every living being,” she went on. “When we fight an opponent of flesh and blood, we draw on their emotions, as well. All who follow the dark side instinctively do this on some level—it is so instinctive that most instructors feel it does not need to be taught.” She paused, and again he wondered where she was going with all this.
“I have studied your records from the Academy and observed your battle with the mercenaries in my courtyard,” she said at last. “You have a special gift. You do not just feed on the raw emotions of your foe; you gorge yourself on them. You feast on their primal fear. It amplifies your hate and anger. It fuels the power of the Force. It transforms you into an instrument of death and destruction.”'
Originally posted by Intrepid37
They're not.
They are? 😬
Dooku uses TK and lightning to incapacitate opponents. Malgus ****ing kills them. He kills opponents with TK pushes hard enough to shatter bones and blasts holes through his opponents with lightning. You think Malgus would have merely tossed Kenobi around? No, he would have thrown him hard enough to snap him in half. His Force powers are much more devastating in combat and more advanced in the sheer level of destruction he unleashes.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Malgus's best Force feats are sending multiple people flying and moving his transport at the same time, hurling boulders and lifted parts of two collapsed buildings while injured. Impressive? Very. As good as Dooku? Not quite (he's close though).
Why not? You forget that he got a lot more powerful after doing those. He owned a Jedi who collapsed two buildings made of duracrete and transparisteel (already a feat comparable to Dooku by itself) and he did it while wounded and tired. And he wasn't even at his peak.
Also how does Dooku react to a Force Maelstrom?
