Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention Surfer admitted he was slower than Lightspeed in flightspeed just before that fight with runner. "I can fly near speed of light".Just one issue before the fight with Runner.
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Surfer can and has traveled many times the speed of light, so I don't know what sort of point you are trying to make.
Originally posted by Kstanz
Can you show Surfer traveling without hyperspace? At light speed.
Infinity Gauntlet. He and Warlock moves at incredible speeds beyond light, and then once they got to a far enough distance the Surfer speeds back withou a warp tunnel and attempts to steal the gauntlet from Thanos while the Titan was occupied. He really is faster than light.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Not to mention Surfer admitted he was slower than Lightspeed in flightspeed just before that fight with runner. "I can fly near speed of light".Just one issue before the fight with Runner.
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You don't want to go there. I promise you don't want to go there in regards to quotes and speed.
Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Surfer can and has traveled many times the speed of light, so I don't know what sort of point you are trying to make.
Originally posted by Stoic
Infinity Gauntlet. He and Warlock moves at incredible speeds beyond light, and then once they got to a far enough distance the Surfer speeds back withou a warp tunnel and attempts to steal the gauntlet from Thanos while the Titan was occupied. He really is faster than light.
Originally posted by carver9
You don't want to go there. I promise you don't want to go there in regards to quotes and speed.
Originally posted by Blue Area VetAny questions?
Originally posted by abhilegend
In the same comic Mantis took Runner out by tripping him.Not that beating surfer in h2h means you can beat Superman when he's vastly stronger and faster than Surfer. [/B]
Mantis tripping the Runner is the typical jobbing instances that all speedsters have to go through. Spiderman hitting Quicksilver with a forearm while getting speed blitzed, Slade hitting Wally, any street leveler hitting Superman etc.
With their reflexes conveniently turned down at moments where they would otherwise see an attack or character as slug-like or even statue-esque depending on the gap.
Mantis moving her leg fast enough to trip Runner, if it was an actual feat, would mean she can move her legs at a comparable speed to him, Which of course is false. So its not an actual feat, just PIS.
Otherwise he would just casually take his time to tip toe around the slowly, slowly outstretching leg.
Not that it matters, Superman's speed feats are as good or better than Runner's in this thread.
Seriously, how can you guys be arguing over The runner beating Surfer? Its not an impressive feat at all, Thanos, Thor and Hulk and more have all done it, i mean, seriously, how many times has he been beaten to death by fighting? He gets destroyed by characters who on paper, arent even in the same league as him, IMHO on paper in a cisless an pisless story, surfer would bring superman and black adam to their goddamn knees with relative ease, but hes the worst written character ive seen, this is so stupid.
Originally posted by LeonBuco666
Seriously, how can you guys be arguing over The runner beating Surfer? Its not an impressive feat at all, Thanos, Thor and Hulk and more have all done it, i mean, seriously, how many times has he been beaten to death by fighting? He gets destroyed by characters who on paper, arent even in the same league as him, IMHO on paper in a cisless an pisless story, surfer would bring superman and black adam to their goddamn knees with relative ease, but hes the worst written character ive seen, this is so stupid.
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Surfer is written shitty at times. Because he is so powerful. So getting him to job sometimes makes the story more appealing (makes the adversary seem more formidable).
based on displayed feats, a case could be made for the dc guys. if it happened in a comic, runner would likely run a train through them. he can traverse galaxies in moments without the gem and he's never even been threatened in a fight, let alone defeated. he quite literally toyed with ss (however you want to view his level). he's got high level tp, can turn intangible and can clearly amp his strength to well above cl100. i've always considered him second to maybe only grandmaster in terms of sheer power as an elder. pretty sure he would be a team wrecker if he wasn't so.....starfox-esque. he's basically flash if flash were almost completely invulnerable and possessed of greater than ss-style cosmic power. he SHOULD wreck these 2, but again, based on what has been shown, a case can be made for supes/ba. the same kind of case that can almost ALWAYS be made when one character has almost no feats, and the others have hundreds upon hundreds......that, however, doesn't always make for the best, nor most convincing forms of argument, imho.
Originally posted by leonidas
based on displayed feats, a case could be made for the dc guys. if it happened in a comic, runner would likely run a train through them. he can traverse galaxies in moments without the gem and he's never even been threatened in a fight, let alone defeated. he quite literally toyed with ss (however you want to view his level). he's got high level tp, can turn intangible and can clearly amp his strength to well above cl100. i've always considered him second to maybe only grandmaster in terms of sheer power as an elder. pretty sure he would be a team wrecker if he wasn't so.....starfox-esque. he's basically flash if flash were almost completely invulnerable and possessed of greater than ss-style cosmic power. he SHOULD wreck these 2, but again, based on what has been shown, a case can be made for supes/ba. the same kind of case that can almost ALWAYS be made when one character has almost no feats, and the others have hundreds upon hundreds......that, however, doesn't always make for the best, nor most convincing forms of argument, imho.
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