You're welcome to recreate my testing conditions, but that wouldn't be relevant to the discussion of Dante.
I designed that thread with it in mind to pick characters who would have to fight Dante to put him down, there were picks available who can beat him without recourse due to bad power match ups. Sue Storm, Jean Grey, Supernova, Zzzax, etc. I put him against primarily physical threats because my intention isn't to make Dante lose, it's to test him against the tier.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're welcome to recreate my testing conditions, but that wouldn't be relevant to the discussion of Dante.I designed that thread with it in mind to pick characters who would have to fight Dante to put him down, there were picks available who can beat him without recourse due to bad power match ups. Sue Storm, Jean Grey, Supernova, Zzzax, etc. I put him against primarily physical threats because my intention isn't to make Dante lose, it's to test him against the tier.
Except strength isnt the single reason he's been suggested for that tier.
It City level output, QS relativistic speed, the shields,, regen, Yamato, clone, BFR and being shown that his demonic energy > lifewipers.
Similar to him are the PPGs. They're in Low Herald because they can be relativistic when pushing it and are generally City level, as Scene said usually less than this. And all the extras they bring are element manip, which Dante has.
So if M2/Dorf could be there for a single event as could the PPGs, even if they would struggle against many in the tier.. why isnt Dante?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Except strength isnt the single reason he's been suggested for that tier.It City level output, QS relativistic speed, the shields,, regen, Yamato, clone, BFR and being shown that his demonic energy > lifewipers.
Similar to him are the PPGs. They're in Low Herald because they can be relativistic when pushing it and are generally City level, as Scene said usually less than this. And all the extras they bring are element manip, which Dante has.
So if M2/Dorf could be there for a single event as could the PPGs, even if they would struggle against many in the tier.. why isnt Dante?
To be fair, the PPGs are impossible to place 100% accurately. Their current standing is sort of an 'it'll do'. Dorf is there due to several feats, and MewTwo due to his casual life wiping destructive power.
On the topic of Dante; I didn't say it was just strength that was being argued, though I don't think Dante's punches can level cities. Can you be more clear about 'Dante being > Lifewipers'?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To be fair, the PPGs are impossible to place 100% accurately. Their current standing is sort of an 'it'll do'. Dorf is there due to several feats, and MewTwo due to his casual life wiping destructive power.On the topic of Dante; I didn't say it was just strength that was being argued, though I don't think Dante's punches can level cities. Can you be more clear about 'Dante being > Lifewipers'?
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBel
Who says anything about PUNCHES?
I thought we were measuring ENERGY BLASTS. Like the ones that destroyed Abigail and Despair Embodied, a potential life wiper beings (legitimate hell kings).
I guess I'm missing some context here, so tell me more.
^That (DeBel's), basically. Sparda!Dante equalled Mundus'. DT Dante1's demon energy trumps Abigail's. Dante2's wafflestomps Despair's.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteThe only thing that was making them a possible High Meta was that their output and speed isn't always relativistic/City, that its shown to be a lot lower. Dante2 is there with more to his name.
To be fair, the PPGs are impossible to place 100% accurately. Their current standing is sort of an 'it'll do'. Dorf is there due to several feats, and MewTwo due to his casual life wiping destructive power.
Dorf's Twilight and Mewtwo's storms are good reasons, but everything outside of that would be High Meta+.
Originally posted by Charlotte DeBelMostly the same reason I believe he's in those tiers. Especially compared to current Low Heralds.
I have been comparing Dante to "magic Tony Stark" for about a page in this thread. They are in the same position with different incarnations drifting in the borderline zone between Low Herald and high meta.
Dante was NEVER a pure brick (and to be honest slaughters a majority of bricks in this Scream Paste's thread, RoyalGuard if properly used is a game breaker not even starting into stasis/super acceleration of Quicksilver etc) so why consider him one?
If we use Elite Meta, then Dante's here together with current Tony Stark. If not...then he's a low herald together with current Tony, again.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteBecause in DMC you can't defeat someone unless your power is above theres, as its stated in the novel that, unless in special cases, demonic body and power are synced. The stronger you are, the more power you have and visa versa. To get an idea Arius has wall level power, when he gained a fraction of Despair's power he had 800GJ to throw around.
All right, he lands the finisher on Despair Embodied here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PLpKRTr6lk
Upon death they discorporate.
How durable is Despair Embodied? Why does this equate to wiping out a city with one shot?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnh4bJbOFaw
Abigail, they fight, they cause an explosion, Dante shoots him.I guess I'm missing some context here, so tell me more.
Dante's hit on Abigail destroyed all of his demonic power, which is why Sid was left over, all the power was diminished. (Sid being a lesser demon who brought back Abigail's power back in his body)
Originally posted by BloodRain
^That (DeBel's), basically. Sparda!Dante equalled Mundus'. DT Dante1's demon energy trumps Abigail's. Dante2's wafflestomps Despair's.The only thing that was making them a possible High Meta was that their output and speed isn't always relativistic/City, that its shown to be a lot lower. Dante2 is there with more to his name.
Dorf's Twilight and Mewtwo's storms are good reasons, but everything outside of that would be High Meta+.
Mostly the same reason I believe he's in those tiers. Especially compared to current Low Heralds.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Your standard hurricane releases more energy per second than a nuclear bomb going off: 600 000 000 000 000 j, compare it to Fatman, 21 kilotons: 88 000 000 000 000 j.600 000 000 000 000 j per second.
88 000 000 000 000 j
Originally posted by BloodRain
Because in DMC you can't defeat someone unless your power is above theres, as its stated in the novel that, unless in special cases, demonic body and power are synced. The stronger you are, the more power you have and visa versa. To get an idea Arius has wall level power, when he gained a fraction of Despair's power he had 800GJ to throw around.Dante's hit on Abigail destroyed all of his demonic power, which is why Sid was left over, all the power was diminished. (Sid being a lesser demon who brought back Abigail's power back in his body)
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Been watching the discussion, and I'm pretty much sold on Dante for Low Herald, since I don't think we're going to be including Elite tiers. That smart mouthed bastard always was a favorite of mine, too, even if I only played his original game. >.>Dante for Low Herald.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
There are three PPGs. We tiered them as a group. If you want a revote get people to back it, I suppose. They're impossible to measure accurately anwyay. Dorf has more than the Twilight, though that is a good showing. MewTwo is there largely due to his frankly insane TK output. There's city busting, and then there's MewTwo.His storm dwarfed any real life Hurricane that's ever existed, combined with his ability to make Extreme Speed Genesect look like a statue in terms of speed, and mass mid wipe, he's yeah.
Hypersonic+, that storm and mind powers.. I am supporting his placement afterall. What I'm saying is that the power far surpassing Mundus (megaton feat), approaching light speed and with those other powers that he's not really the farthest distance from Mewtwo and Dorf. Only difference to those two is that he has more than one thing that considers him in this tier.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
800 GJ is more than I've seen from any DMC character yet, where's that feat been hiding? Also, am I to understand that in DMC a character with 95% of someone else's power would be completely incapable of killing that character, ever?
Not to one-shot them, no.
Still displaying complete dominance, and the Abigail one was. Fair enough on the, can see this spinning out of control (told you it would happen.. just didn't think I'd be a part of it lol)
Just gonna say that on this, I believe that the power to stomp low City busting power and Lifewipers coupled with relativistic speed and a few other highly useful and/or hax abilities is enough to warrant Low Herald.
Amaterasu?
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Feats?
He can teleport, mind control people, alter his height, make anyone near him incredibly ill, can choose who can and can't see him but can be seen by anyone if they have a camera though his image can be sometimes hard to make out as he has some kind of electromagnetic field surrounding him that distorts any and all nearby electronic devices, he can't feel pain and has high level endurance as nothing his victims do seem to work as he just stands there taking knife stabs and gunshots like they're nothing, he has possible pyrokinesis, he can sprout up to ten or more tentacles each powerful enough to lift a full grown human male and impale them on top of a tree, and can theoretically travel through space and time as he's claimed by a majority of people on the internet to be a fourth dimensional being.
Slender man has no definitive canon and I'd be hard pressed to think of a way to measure his feats.
(told you it would happen.. just didn't think I'd be a part of it lol)
Nothing is out of control, we've said our parts. (I have more to say but I want more input before I say it, to prevent this conversation from growing Continuity Lock Out), and in the end we only get one vote each, so it's not really up to us. He'll end up on the tier list one way or the other.
Sounds Low Meta, if he's legit for this thread.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteOnly 'cause you stopped it when you did :T
Nothing is out of control, we've said our parts. (I have more to say but I want more input before I say it, to prevent this conversation from growing Continuity Lock Out), and in the end we only get one vote each, so it's not really up to us. He'll end up on the tier list one way or the other.