Originally posted by Lord LucienOnly certain people will be able to get their hands on the technology when it's created, if it hasn't already been. I wouldn't be surprised if stem-cell research hasn't already been used to select specific traits in a noble newborn somewhere. This newborn, if raised by a fascist leader; and, consequently was genetically designed to grow into his successor, would be a prodigiously successful savant and polymath. That spells disaster, maybe a few hundred of these super-humans could be working on an intellectually elite new world order. Perhaps they're plotting our destruction. Most likely American leaders, as patrons of the main global super power, would have the most resources/global control and most likely would endeavor in creating this super-elite first. But others would have more motive, especially South African leaders, their children might be products of scientific intervention.
The development of genetic engineering technologies is a part of natural selection. That's just how freaking selected our species is.
War pigs.
P.S. I need to stop being a useless dork online. And do something with my life.
Originally posted by Dolos
Only certain people will be able to get their hands on the technology when it's created, if it hasn't already been.
Really? This seems to be the case for new technologies in their first decade or two, but fast forward two generations, and they're commonplace [amongst first world citizens].
Originally posted by Master Han
[amongst first world citizens].
I've nailed him about the unequal distribution of tech worldwide, and how such an AI would really only serve to promote Western worldviews and political policy, afaik, I think he is referring exactly to that: the developing world will always trail in technology.
My concern would be that we create an upper class of people who use the AI, and those those service it but cant afford to use it (among other more pragmatic issues with the tech itself)
The only way that the higher echelon will be able to maintain control is by keeping Strong AI from accelerating due to my main thesis in the thread: That won't be possible, my good sir Oliver, because "Strong" AI is intrinsically superior to humanity. The man who makes AI stronger than human intelligence will be a Messiah. That AI needs us to be in a certain environment where population is maxed and where every human is able to gain access to the same knowledge, living standard, for maximum evolution of creativity, self-awareness, and perception. Creativity, self-awareness, and perception don't evolve unless they're worked. And these three proponents of the human intellect would allow humans the capacity to reach and quickly surpass Strong AI's parameters through the ultimate form of intelligence augmentation, engineered evolution: Selected dna mutations in strands modified to grow and evolve indefinitely in one ageless coupling.
Strong AI needs an augmented humanity to be its collective competitor for it to reap the benefits of an auto-catalytic cycle: Creating an accelerating return to its inevitable superiority. Software is less limited by the silicon circuitry of its hardware than an organic brain is limited by its carbon structures.
At least that's my pseudo-theory, err, assumption based on readings. I'm out.
One more thing:
The reason it wouldn't stand for evolving some humans as opposed to every human is that it would be quicker for humanity to reach its maximum population (1.2 trillion according to this theory) - for a greater collective potential of humanity's intelligence augmentation - if every human alive now is evolving and procreating. One death, one less evolving mind, will piss it off.
If the people in control are the minority, and too selfish to surrender control and share their living standard with everyone; even if they are intellectually elite and genetically superior but collectively inferior to the masses they've enslaved, than Strong AI will count its losses and just kill them all for not compromising under any circumstance before proceeding take the majority and their greater collective potential for its New Utopia. Or force them to compromise through mind control via cybernetic mind hacking - if that's possible than that is the definite route it will take. It would be unstoppable, Utopia would inevitable.
My guess based on the material I've read.
OFFICIALLY OUT.
Originally posted by Oliver North
so the AI either oppresses the masses or murders the elite...
Oppresses the masses in a way that is pleasant for the masses; and more likely than killing, forces the elite to cooperate without hurting them in any way, again, so that they all can experience an era of pleasant oppression.
Originally posted by Oliver North
where do I sign up for this moral paradigm!
Judging by your facetious reaction, I take it you're unappeased by my scenario. We are merely experiencing a difference in perception.
I, personally, perceive this as positive shift in paradigm. I perceive our being humbled as a good thing.
I assure you, neither of our perceptions matter when not being perceived. If it's any consolation, it is more likely that, if this AI and its oppressed were conscientious of our perceptions, than they'd invalidate mine.
Hang on a second: the first people to get their hands on legitimate AI won't actually be the super-wealthy; it'll be the scientists and engineers that make them. Even if we assume that they only do so under the funding of said Illuminati-esque elite, they'll be the ones with the most direct and intimate access to the technology they build.
Originally posted by Master Han
Hang on a second: the first people to get their hands on legitimate AI won't actually be the super-wealthy; it'll be the scientists and engineers that make them. Even if we assume that they only do so under the funding of said Illuminati-esque elite, they'll be the ones with the most direct and intimate access to the technology they build.
This is true. However, I was not talking about software, but a real life baby. It's a little different. There are a myriad of geneticists capable of engineering stem cells to the affect of selecting traits that could literally make a perfect Aryan/Nephilim for some powerful leader in America's financial and governmental sovereignty.
Why this could potentially create a whole sect of prodigies is because a human mind is static, all you need are the right behavioral traits and top notch genetics. That's a concoction for a group of people who are better at everything they do.
Originally posted by DolosMay I recommend for your viewing pleasure...
Oppresses the masses in a way that is pleasant for the masses; and more likely than killing, forces the elite to cooperate without hurting them in any way, again, so that they all can experience an era of pleasant oppression.
...or you can just watch from 1:33:53, on.
Welcome to Skynet's ancestor.
Originally posted by Master Han
Hang on a second: the first people to get their hands on legitimate AI won't actually be the super-wealthy; it'll be the scientists and engineers that make them. Even if we assume that they only do so under the funding of said Illuminati-esque elite, they'll be the ones with the most direct and intimate access to the technology they build.
on a global scale they are the super wealthy
and certainly we don't have to look very far to see how technology proliferates in a way that serves the interests of wealthy nations over the poor. any technology with military applications is an example of this, but you can see it with almost anything, for instance, during India's Green Revolution, modern GMO crops and farming techniques were brought to India by major transnational corporations, which increased India's output of goods dramatically. However, these goods would often rot in warehouses while India's citizens starved to death because the corporations were growing the food for export.
no illuminati-esque cabal necessary; it's hardly a conspiracy to say the wealthy pursue their own interests even if they would have detrimental consequences to others.
Originally posted by Oliver NorthBut it makes so much more sense if a small group is controlling everything and starving people for a reason. We need the Illuminati, they bring evil order to the chaos and I can fathom that easier.
on a global scale they are the super wealthyand certainly we don't have to look very far to see how technology proliferates in a way that serves the interests of wealthy nations over the poor. any technology with military applications is an example of this, but you can see it with almost anything, for instance, during India's Green Revolution, modern GMO crops and farming techniques were brought to India by major transnational corporations, which increased India's output of goods dramatically. However, these goods would often rot in warehouses while India's citizens starved to death because the corporations were growing the food for export.
no illuminati-esque cabal necessary; it's hardly a conspiracy to say the wealthy pursue their own interests even if they would have detrimental consequences to others.