Originally posted by Dolos
Did you not read every single post I made in here!?
Of course I haven't....
But reading the wikipedia link, even though there are plenty rebuttals, and even though the theory itself only states a 95% chance of the highest number being correct, you still claim this number as a fact?
Also, as one of those futurist weirdos, does it not bother you that the number at best is total number of human people that will ever live on earth, rather than...you know...every place?
Originally posted by Bardock42Transcendence is exactly why we see no signs of intelligences who've harnessed the sum total energy of entire galaxies when there's a high probability for such signs.
Of course I haven't....But reading the wikipedia link, even though there are plenty rebuttals, and even though the theory itself only states a 95% chance of the highest number being correct, you still claim this number as a fact?
Also, as one of those futurist weirdos, does it not bother you that the number at best is total number of human people that will ever live on earth, rather than...you know...every place?
It stops at home-world #1. Evolution expands, and contracts, and expands less, and contracts more. Until we find perpetually accelerated infinity of depth within point singularity.
In fact, new advances in superstring theory has presented us with the plausibility that our universe is a fractal hologram: A virtual reality totally indistinguishable from base reality all the way down to the tinniest nuance of energy that holds reality itself together. And more of these fractal holograms have been created in this one, endlessly synthesizing, analyzing, copying and reprinting the precious code, the creation equation that evolves new universes with different physical laws eventually. It never ends, there's no endpoint as long as one perceives reality through duration.
If the singularity evolution expands along certain perpetual lines without redirecting at any point, the harnessing of such sun energy and the speed with which the transcendence can be achieved is equal to, or greater, than the galaxies probability to find the depth of infinity, ergo intelligences beyond our own and signs of it, ipso facto.
Originally posted by Bardock42You misunderstand. A gray-goo planet generates so much entropy in its calculations that it turns into a strange kind of black hole that compresses and compresses until our universe ends. Looooong before that, after this monster has reached Planck mass, the consciousness, the transcending thing, has already sifted through nigh-infinite dimensions with various physical laws different from our own.
If the singularity evolution expands along certain perpetual lines without redirecting at any point, the harnessing of such sun energy and the speed with which the transcendence can be achieved is equal to, or greater, than the galaxies probability to find the depth of infinity, ergo intelligences beyond our own and signs of it, ipso facto.
It gets outside energy to fuel further condensation, eventually joining the mass at the center of the galaxy; and a long long long time after that, the universe starts acting funny and the bubble (aka the universe) collapses, a new bubble (aka a new universe with different physical laws) pops up in a place that is without time or space.
I'd imagine witnessing the big crunch like so: I gaze up at the night sky; looking at another galaxy in my super-telescope, and I witness a black hole eat it up and go to the next one. I get my hyper-mega-telescope and I witness much larger black holes consume galaxy super-clusters instantly. Then everything just kind of stops existing.
Originally posted by DolosThat reminds me of this:
You misunderstand. A gray-goo planet generates so much entropy in its calculations that it turns into a strange kind of black hole that compresses and compresses until our universe ends. Looooong before that, after this monster has reached Planck mass, the consciousness, the transcending thing, has already sifted through nigh-infinite dimensions with various physical laws different from our own.It gets outside energy to fuel further condensation, eventually joining the mass at the center of the galaxy; and a long long long time after that, the universe starts acting funny and the bubble (aka the universe) collapses, a new bubble (aka a new universe with different physical laws) pops up in a place that is without time or space.
Originally posted by Mindship
That reminds me of this:
I was thinking of just that.
Originally posted by Mindship
That reminds me of this:
It's a different circumstance than that. These singularity computers run a simulation of the big bang, yes, which eventually reaches 10^80 atoms, yes. But that has nothing to do with the big crunch in and of itself. It may just be due to a certain ratio of Higgs bosons and dilatons. Or, if this is the simulation of a base or fabricated reality, than a series of unpredicted events - perhaps the result of conscientious observation - causes particles to behave slightly different during first few moments of creation which affects the size, structure, and interactions of the universe that comes about from it. Either way; these singularity computers will journey to different cosmoses with different physical laws upon achieving Planck mass and sinking through the fabric of space time, and they'll run simulations for those as well. Even more bazaar and miraculous and incredible is that these simulations in and of themselves will very likely, through random circumstance, produce - via evolution - infinite sentient species - similar to humans - that create more world computers that collapse into more singularity computers. Consciousness sort of splits and is splintered throughout an infinity of potential realities.
So cute.
No but I do believe that AI will launch a dilaton propelled FTL craft housing the entire human Sapienome out into intergalactic space before going gray goo singularity to progress the evolution of intelligence. This craft, the 100 Year Star-ship esque, will plant human life on other inhabitable worlds throughout the cosmos. But it is inner-space, not outer-space, that is the prime directive for overall evolution. Make no mistake.
Actually, it will not.
It would be better off sending matter-eating, self-replicating nanites out across intergalactic space - becoming their own world/singularity computers. That would be more efficient in evolving the universe, literally by waking it up. Our consciousnesses will always be around, in some virtual paradise within their system. But Oliver's right, it will not be us after we're assimilated. We'll be in an infinitely better place than that.