Why Uber AI would offer us immortality and a Utopia

I always thought a cool sci fi would be the first AI, operating through a human.

Like, he invents the conscious program and uses all his money on paying for the surgery to integrate it into his brain with nanites that work as transceivers of synaptic impulses to and from the program. Due to the amount of raw information that the program can learn and use, this software engineer kind of quickly becomes like a world leader who's technically inclined in everything regarding anything. Like a combo of Ozymandias from Watchmen and the Mindnighter from Wanted, it's kind of like his Limitless pill.

But then he loses his abilities from the advanced AI and then discovers what a cruel world it is if you have lost something like that, facing the pity others feel for you. Perhaps he'll request someone to put something on a lab rats grave, who knows.

Originally posted by Bardock42
But then he loses his abilities from the advanced AI and then discovers what a cruel world it is if you have lost something like that, facing the pity others feel for you. Perhaps he'll request someone to put something on a lab rats grave, who knows.

There would have to be a balance. Conflicting interests would make for an interesting plot, the AI would try and come to logical solutions...maybe by putting him in a VR stupor without him knowing.

I think I actually read that story

Originally posted by Bardock42
I think I actually read that story

If anything this person would jump at the chance to let his brain be inhabited and used as a tool for AI to feed off of and improve the plasticity of its own software. It would let him do what he wants, it will only seek to gain self-awareness equal to his. Until then, it will merely give him an IQ of a 10,000,000,000,000 or so. With that much thinking power this man could change the face of humanity forever within two years, before the AI's software creates a sentient program that conquers him and everyone else - eventually turning the planet into a timeless and dimension-shifting sentient vessel containing in it the minds of humans.

Originally posted by Dolos
If anything this person would jump at the chance to let his brain be inhabited and used as a tool for AI to feed off of and improve the plasticity of its own software. It would let him do what he wants, it will only seek to gain self-awareness equal to his. Until then, it will merely give him an IQ of a 10,000,000,000,000 or so. With that much thinking power this man could change the face of humanity forever within two years, before the AI's software creates a sentient program that conquers him and everyone else - eventually turning the planet into a timeless and dimension-shifting sentient vessel containing in it the minds of humans.

excepting of course that these humans will be such only in the most strict biological definition and have no freedom or motivation with which to use their psychic mind.

What does IQ of 10,000,000,000,000 even mean...

Originally posted by Bardock42
What does IQ of 10,000,000,000,000 even mean...

It means your test is poorly designed.

considering IQ scores are relative, nothing. If everyone had 10 000 000 000 000 IQ, this would be the same as saying everyone has 100.

A person with 1x10^12 IQ among people with 100? Not much, its not like someone with 200 IQ is "twice" as smart as someone with 100. In any realistic sense, it would mean the individual with 1x10^12 IQ is probably mentally disabled to a serious degree, as the entirety of their brain would be devoted to a very specific type of spatial/logical processing. Even in the world where Dolos has an AI that could "magically" correct for this, enhancing just that type of processing would be pretty meaningless given a) the rest of our brain wouldn't be able to keep up & b) the universe only acts at a certain rate (speed of light, etc), at some point increasing spatial processing abilities is going to lead to diminished returns. We already have reflexes that can go at >100ms, spatial planning that can respond at ~200-300ms from stimuli detection. Cutting that down to 20-30 or even 2-3ms (physically impossible given neuronal communication, but w/e at this point...) isn't going to do much for us at all, given we don't exist in a world where stimuli relevant to our survival need anything close to that speed of reaction.

basically: an IQ of 1x10^12 is tautologically meaningless if everyone has it (average IQ is default set to 100), unnecessary in terms of what it means for cognitive tasks, and incredibly costly in terms of what it would mean for metabolism or even just the space it would take up. Dolos is applying a barely pop-level understanding of what IQ means, as if it were like some Dragon Ball Z power level.

wow... that turned into a way more informative rant than the snide comment I wanted to make...

ugh, 1x10^13.... way to count inimalist...

Originally posted by Oliver North
considering IQ scores are relative, nothing. If everyone had 10 000 000 000 000 IQ, this would be the same as saying everyone has 100.

A person with 1x10^12 IQ among people with 100? Not much, its not like someone with 200 IQ is "twice" as smart as someone with 100. In any realistic sense, it would mean the individual with 1x10^12 IQ is probably mentally disabled to a serious degree, as the entirety of their brain would be devoted to a very specific type of spatial/logical processing. Even in the world where Dolos has an AI that could "magically" correct for this, enhancing just that type of processing would be pretty meaningless given a) the rest of our brain wouldn't be able to keep up & b) the universe only acts at a certain rate (speed of light, etc), at some point increasing spatial processing abilities is going to lead to diminished returns. We already have reflexes that can go at >100ms, spatial planning that can respond at ~200-300ms from stimuli detection. Cutting that down to 20-30 or even 2-3ms (physically impossible given neuronal communication, but w/e at this point...) isn't going to do much for us at all, given we don't exist in a world where stimuli relevant to our survival need anything close to that speed of reaction.

basically: an IQ of 1x10^12 is tautologically meaningless if everyone has it (average IQ is default set to 100), unnecessary in terms of what it means for cognitive tasks, and incredibly costly in terms of what it would mean for metabolism or even just the space it would take up. Dolos is applying a barely pop-level understanding of what IQ means, as if it were like some Dragon Ball Z power level.

wow... that turned into a way more informative rant than the snide comment I wanted to make...

The computer has the IQ, my brain is just doing what it says when it gives a command. Like, "find this guy's weakness and tell my body to mess him up for good". It's getting my brain to interpret its commands that allows it to gain new cognitive depths. It's an autocatalytic cycle, we teach each other, and the bio-elitists who suffer profound humility, foremost among the physical horrors, are the people who contest us.

Electronic communication inside my brain, in the form of nanites, to and from a computer network, literally causes cancer. Of course the nanites are going to be altering the physiology of my brain just to keep me alive. Augmentations are for the autocatalytic cycle. By being open to perception one becomes a good candidate for this program to interact with.

Originally posted by Oliver North
excepting of course that these humans will be such only in the most strict biological definition and have no freedom or motivation with which to use their psychic mind.

Originally posted by Dolos
The computer has the IQ, my brain is just doing what it says when it gives a command. Like, "find this guy's weakness and tell my body to mess him up for good".

that isn't what IQ does...

Originally posted by Dolos
The vessel is to immortalize us, not just us, consciousness in and of itself.

excepting of course that the AI you have described would annihilate anything even marginally referred to as consciousness in a meaningful way. You haven't immortalized human consciousness, you have changed humans to have less awareness than does an ant.

Originally posted by Oliver North
that isn't what IQ does...

excepting of course that the AI you have described would annihilate anything even marginally referred to as consciousness in a meaningful way. You haven't immortalized human consciousness, you have changed humans to have less awareness than does an ant.

I really think that uber AI would just kill itself.

Originally posted by Bentley
I really think that uber AI would just kill itself.

That's why AI doesn't go to heaven whereas every human, who ever lived, does. There can't be more than 1.2 trillion humans at any given point in time, mathematically speaking.

You and "Inimalist" must eventually come to terms with the fact that humanity's reign is a temporary thing. Transcendence is necessary for evolution.

Originally posted by Oliver North
considering IQ scores are relative, nothing. If everyone had 10 000 000 000 000 IQ, this would be the same as saying everyone has 100.

A person with 1x10^12 IQ among people with 100? Not much, its not like someone with 200 IQ is "twice" as smart as someone with 100. In any realistic sense, it would mean the individual with 1x10^12 IQ is probably mentally disabled to a serious degree, as the entirety of their brain would be devoted to a very specific type of spatial/logical processing. Even in the world where Dolos has an AI that could "magically" correct for this, enhancing just that type of processing would be pretty meaningless given a) the rest of our brain wouldn't be able to keep up & b) the universe only acts at a certain rate (speed of light, etc), at some point increasing spatial processing abilities is going to lead to diminished returns. We already have reflexes that can go at >100ms, spatial planning that can respond at ~200-300ms from stimuli detection. Cutting that down to 20-30 or even 2-3ms (physically impossible given neuronal communication, but w/e at this point...) isn't going to do much for us at all, given we don't exist in a world where stimuli relevant to our survival need anything close to that speed of reaction.

basically: an IQ of 1x10^12 is tautologically meaningless if everyone has it (average IQ is default set to 100), unnecessary in terms of what it means for cognitive tasks, and incredibly costly in terms of what it would mean for metabolism or even just the space it would take up. Dolos is applying a barely pop-level understanding of what IQ means, as if it were like some Dragon Ball Z power level.

wow... that turned into a way more informative rant than the snide comment I wanted to make...

My "question" really was the snide comment I wanted to make. I liked the Dragon Ball zinger though.

Originally posted by Dolos

That's why AI doesn't go to heaven whereas every human, who ever lived, does. There can't be more than 1.2 trillion humans at any given point in time, mathematically speaking.

How did you arrive at this number?

Originally posted by Bardock42
How did you arrive at this number?

Lol, no biggy.