What exactly has Dooku demonstrated that makes them even slightly comparable? Dooku's showings by comparison are mild and pedestrian, Bane literally demonstrates unprecedented abilities throughout the novel. Naturally G-Canon Dooku and his superiors struggle with low level telekinesis, it's not even up for debate how they would do, but I am allowing you to ignore his G-Canon limitations and just go wild with whatever you can find in the EU.
You do realize PoD means Path of Destruction? Bane's first book?
Mention a PoD Bane feat that puts him on the level of the guy who tooled AOTC Anakin and Kenobi, is superior to most Council members in the PT and is stated as "one of the greatest Jedi in the 25,000 year Order" and "an even greater Sith".
Originally posted by noitseuq
I could be annoying and point out that if we're going by G-Canon considerations, Bane clears this with ease, goes find Sidious and makes him his lady, takes him dancing and on a few moonlit strolls while he explains the rule of two to him, introduces him to Dxun and his other former bitches, but I wouldn't do that.If we're going by C-Canon showings (and ignoring G-Canon limitations) what are Yoda's better feats? He still gets past Dooku easily either way but I'd be interested to hear what Yoda's feats are.
I know what you're trying to say. But you're wrong.
Anakin's falling from hundreds of meters and hitting a moving airspeeder with perfect timing and no injury whatsoever is more impressive than anything Bane does in Path of Destruction.
Originally posted by Col. Valerian
In PoD...?What has Dooku demonstrated...? You serious?
Yes. He's literally one of the few guys that has never impressed me in any of the sources he's appeared in. Even in the original CW cartoon he literally did nothing. His skills as far as I know basically begin and end at performing low scale Force Powers, being a master of Makashi, occasionally owning lesser Jedi with force powers or in a lightsaber duel, and not being as good as Yoda or Sidious.
Originally posted by Master Han
I know what you're trying to say. But you're wrong.Anakin's falling from hundreds of meters and hitting a moving airspeeder with perfect timing and no injury whatsoever is more impressive than anything Bane does in Path of Destruction.
Quantify and substantiate this please.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Dies at Kolar.
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this is the case, barring of course that Agen only achieved elite status among the order's swordsmen post-AOTC. Assuming he's roughly the same skill level, Bane probably drops here.
Still thinking he makes it past TPM!Obi-Wan after a tough fight.
Originally posted by noitseuq
His skills as far as I know basically begin and end at performing low scale Force Powers,
He was a telekenisis instructor and was considered to be immensely powerful in the Force, as per various accolades, including Stover's description of him in the RotS novelization.
being a master of Makashi,
Not just a master - the master. His technical skills rival Kas'im's; they're up there among the greatest in the mythos.
occasionally owning lesser Jedi with force powers or in a lightsaber duel,
You think RotS Obi Wan is a "lesser" Jedi? Kenobi has been routinely described as one of the greatest duelists the Jedi Order has ever produced, and possibly the premier soresu master in history.
and not being as good as Yoda or Sidious.
He gives Yoda a good fight...that's far more than PoD Bane's ever done.
Furthermore, Dooku has an infinitely larger array of technical expertise than the inexperienced Bane, who was put on his ass in seconds by jar'kai...Dooku knows jar'kai (although realistically doesn't have two sabers here) and plenty of other lightsaber forms and combinations Bane would be unfamiliar with.
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As for quantifying Anakin's feat in AotC...well, I'm too lazy to do the maths now, but we know that he hits an airspeeder at terminal velocity and deccelerates to zero vertically, while accelerating to however fast the airspeeder was moving horizontally, in a fraction of a second.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this is the case, barring of course that Agen only achieved elite status among the order's swordsmen post-AOTC. Assuming he's roughly the same skill level, Bane probably drops here.Still thinking he makes it past TPM!Obi-Wan after a tough fight.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
barring of course that Agen only achieved elite status among the order's swordsmen post-AOTC
In other words, vague outlandish hyperbole and wild speculation.
Bro.
Please.
As for quantifying Anakin's feat in AotC...well, I'm too lazy to do the maths now, but we know that he hits an airspeeder at terminal velocity and deccelerates to zero vertically, while accelerating to however fast the airspeeder was moving horizontally, in a fraction of a second.
That's what I thought bro.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yep. Bane lacks good feats. His lightning is powerful, but Kolar should be able to block it with his lightsaber. Bane is a more powerful telekinetic, but Vos has levitated a huge boulder, and he never used telekinesis on Kolar. Kolar, on the other hand, has been recognized as one of the best swordsmen in the order more than three times, one of the best ever produced one time, and is held in high regard by respectable Jedi such as Mace, Shaak Ti and Kenobi.Not because I don't agree with your intended point, and this might be true, but Kolar's skills were ''renowned'' as of AotC (it doesn't mean much, but personally, I think it's safe to say he's enormously skilled pre-RotS).
Seems reasonable. Though I do question POD!Bane's telekinetic prowess; the only noteworthy feat I recall is Bane's demolition of the temple on Lehon, which is an extraordinarily powerful nexus of Force energy. I see no reason to conclude that he'd be able to duplicate the feat on neutral ground.
To say nothing of the fact that the wave was resisted by Kas'im, whose Force strength and mastery are unattested among the Brotherhood noted to be collectively weak.
Agen Kolar, one of the best in the golden age of the Jedi arts, would very likely be able to resist such telekinesis, though that is more inference than conclusive fact.
It seems every feat in the mythos has been performed on a nexus of some kind so it all balances out in the end. Last time Dooku was on a darkside nexus I believe he got rather humiliated by a jedi who himself can hardly lift a senate pod while on the most powerful lightside nexus in the galaxy! Clearly nexus or no nexus, Dooku isn't ever destroying a temple.
