lol
Dooku's faster (he has generated eight afterimages, drawn his blade too fast to be seen, fought faster than Kenobi who can run in blurs). I don't even remember any speed feats by Bane at this point.
Dooku's vastly more skilled. He's beaten Grievous, Mace, Obi-Wan, Anakin, Ventress. Bane only beat Sirak.
Dooku's far more powerful. He's collapsed small bridges the size of starfighters, levitated multiple obelisk stones and casually choked/disarmed accomplished Force users such as Ventress/Obi-Wan. Bane crushed a featless Qordis telekinetically.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. What about:or:
(right at the start)
Probably his more impressive TK showings but it still doesn't remotely compare to Bane's force wave and it's still fundamentally street level in scale.
Spoiler:
For the record a good padawan would warn me beforehand via PM that they were going to post that. Not cool man.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Drawing his blade too fast to be seen:A twitch of the Force brought his lightsaber to his hand with invisible speed, its brilliant scarlet blade angled downward at his side.
-Revenge of the Sith
Quite obvious hyperbole aside, it sounds like he just telekinetically drew it.
Generating afterimages:
What is clearly visual hyperbole and not an actual accurate image?
Even if you assumed it was, it still wouldn't compare to Bane's entire body being practically invisible to the eyes of trained Force Users.
Originally posted by ?YLLAER
Probably his more impressive TK showings but it still doesn't remotely compare to Bane's force wave and it's still fundamentally street level in scale.Spoiler:
For the record a good padawan would warn me beforehand via PM that they were going to post that. Not cool man.
Bane's Force Wave was charged though. He can't throw that out whenever.
I'm not your padawan. When I left you I was but a learner. Now I am the Master.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bane's feat occured on a very powerful nexus.
Makes no difference. We compare characters largely by what they have demonstrated, and it doesn't mean that a character that has demonstrated greater feats is definitely the greater of the two, but it does make him more proven and likely superior. Given that Force Nexus are hardly a rare commodity and that these characters operate on them frequently, they have every opportunity to do the same and their lack of such showings makes them comparatively unproven.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Bane's Force Wave was charged though. He can't throw that out whenever.I'm not your padawan. When I left you I was but a learner. Now [b]I
am the Master. [/B]
See my response to Intrepid. These characters have ample opportunity to charge their attacks in the majority of the scenarios they find themselves in (how often do we see a large monologue or conversation preceed a combat engagement?) and we can only assume they do if it's such an advantage. The fact remains that in all of the material Dooku's been featured in, whether he's on a nexus or whether he has the opportunity to prepare his attacks, he never demonstrates anything remotely comparable.
Originally posted by ?YLLAER
Like? I acknowledge that he does well in combat against other Force users in his era and is firmly in the big 4 but that's literally all he's ever done;
Even ignoring your incorrect downplaying of Dooku's non-scaled feats, this [b]alone puts him far higher than you could possibly imagine.
all attempts at establishing the PT Jedi as better than orders from other eras have failed spectacularly.
Other than three explicit authorial fiats?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not really. You can't say that Bane can unleash a wave powerful enough to collapse a temple when he's never done it without amplifications.On neutral ground, Dooku edges it in telekinetic display.
Not at the time perhaps (we can't say for certain that destroying the temple was the absolutely limits of the power he generated, it simply happened) and he continues improving throughout the book.
And it's more a case of Dooku not being able to do the same thing under similar conditions. Seeing as virtually every location is a nexus these days (we have seen Dooku at such locations numerous times) it remains a simple matter of what you might call feat wars in which case Bane edges it out easily.
Originally posted by Master Han
Even ignoring your incorrect downplaying of Dooku's non-scaled feats, this alone puts him far higher than you could possibly imagine.
In comparison to the likes of Bane who has far progressed beyond the upper echelons of his era, hardly. It's an entirely ordinary hierarchical status. Bane would more appropriately be a contender for the big 4 of all time.
Other than three explicit authorial fiats?
Please. This thead alone is a great example of just how unjustifiable a position it is. You are treating a very loose interpretation as a fact. I would submit that the BoD is likely far superior to the PT Jedi Order from a combat standpoint.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
But he doesn't edge it out easily. Dooku's got an array of vastly superior feats on neutral ground. Bane has no feats on neutral ground even close.
His best feat in PoD was performed at Ruusan which if anything would have had a stronger lightside presence, and it's in an entirely different universe to anything we've seen from Dooku.
Han:
Originally posted by Nephthys
What the f*ck are you talking about?I'm watching the 7 minute mark when he says the quote and all he's mentioning is large battles. If you're referring to another part of the video, y'all need to point it out to me.
I still have no idea what you and Tempest are talking about here.
