Feats vs Logic

- Superman easilly beats Hulk by punching him 10 thousand times in a second.
- when has Superman ever done that?
- he hasn't. But he has the speed for it. We've seen him rebuild an entire city in a matter of seconds. Surely that's way harder than throwing punches.
- Well, he's never actually done it on-pannel so STFU.

I've seen a debate like that on various vs forums. Where do you stand on the subject and why?

I think ic rules SHOULD cover this.

Originally posted by SamZED
- Superman easily beats Hulk by punching him 10 thousand times in a second.
- when has Superman ever done that?
- he hasn't. But he has the speed for it. We've seen him rebuild an entire city in a matter of seconds. Surely that's way harder than throwing punches.
- Well, he's never actually done it on-panel so STFU.

I've seen a debate like that on various vs forums. Where do you stand on the subject and why?

How the character behaves under circumstances similar to the proposed forum match is part of logic as well, Sam.

Originally posted by bluewaterrider
How the character behaves under circumstances similar to the proposed forum match is part of logic as well, Sam.

Originally posted by SamZED
I agree, but I'm not talking about CIS but characters abilities overall. Logic dictates Supes could do it but we've never actually seen it. So is that a valid argument to use in a CIS free vs fight?

CIS-free? Rough translation "fight is dictated by theoretical ability and no character considerations whatsoever"?

For the most part I would agree.

The one caveat that must be included, however, is that some techniques require skills developed by training and practice. I would not expect Superman to be as effective in superspeed techniques as Flash, for instance, or even Wonder Woman.

Actually, I remember one comic, Jesse Quick + Wonder Woman, where Jesse herself made that comment about Wonder Woman.
Diana's quarry (Lady Savitar) got away precisely because Diana was not used to dealing with the strange physics the Flashes deal with everyday.
Diana was a quick study, and eventually the JQ/WW team won, or at least thwarted Lady Savitar's plan in the end, but it took some adjustment.
There's a learning curve associated with some of these proposals that most debating fans don't consider.

Originally posted by SamZED
- Superman easilly beats Hulk by punching him 10 thousand times in a second.
- when has Superman ever done that?
- he hasn't. But he has the speed for it. We've seen him rebuild an entire city in a matter of seconds. Surely that's way harder than throwing punches.
- Well, he's never actually done it on-pannel so STFU.

I've seen a debate like that on various vs forums. Where do you stand on the subject and why?

And when we actually see Superman instantly knocking out a Hulk-class foe with thousands of punches before that Hulk-class foe can even move an inch, then it's worthy of discussion. Until then, the notion is as worthless as arguing Thor/Surfer would send Mjolnir/surfboard to instantly knock out Hulk with thousands of homed-in hits before Hulk can even move an inch.

There's no reason why fights wouldn't go like that in a cis-free environment.

But that's also part of the reason why most fights are not set in a cis-free environment. It would be too much like CBR.

Originally posted by ODG
Hulk can't lose.

The door's right there.

CIS free, of course

only thing is we have seen superman plenty of times speedblitzing and using his speed in a fight.
but of course superman is not thor , therefor non of his feats counts no matter how many times he will repeat same feat over and over.
but thor 200 years ago using mjolnir to suck someones soul 1 singular time will be always part of his skill set.

Originally posted by wolverinos
only thing is we have seen superman plenty of times speedblitzing and using his speed in a fight.
but of course superman is not thor , therefor non of his feats counts no matter how many times he will repeat same feat over and over.
but thor 200 years ago using mjolnir to suck someones soul 1 singular time will be always part of his skill set.

😆 😂 🤣

Originally posted by curryman
There's no reason why fights wouldn't go like that in a cis-free environment.

But that's also part of the reason why most fights are not set in a cis-free environment. It would be too much like CBR.

The door's right there.

I can only hope for your sake that this misunderstanding is responsible for your warped approach; which says nothing of your attitude here.

Originally posted by wolverinos
only thing is we have seen superman plenty of times speedblitzing and using his speed in a fight.
but of course superman is not thor , therefor non of his feats counts no matter how many times he will repeat same feat over and over.
but thor 200 years ago using mjolnir to suck someones soul 1 singular time will be always part of his skill set.

Meh, clearly Hulk posesses quite dynamic speed, like Lobo got dynamic strength. He can struggle with street level scum in this department, while heralds with super-duper speed fail to gain any clear advantage the same way.

In short I don`t see supes taking down Hulkie Boy in a fraction of a second this way.

Originally posted by ODG
You misunderstand what CIS-free means. -Pr- and Badabing have reinforced many times over the years that CIS-off isn't a made-up forum avatar who can perform feats that have never actually been performed on-panel -- simply because you theorize the character is capable.

Superman's not mentally retarded, and he can move girders and weld stuff at a gazillion times the speed of comics. Naturally he should be able to punch at that same speed.

That's not theorycraft with a powerset.

I see a distinction between CIS-free and whatever you want to call powerset mode.

Originally posted by ODG
I can only hope for your sake that this misunderstanding is responsible for your warped approach; which says nothing of your attitude here. You might want to focus your scattered thoughts into a more coherent response. Overcoming your irrational attitude towards Thor might help in that.

Time to lay off the projection.

I don't see what Thor has to do with this, nor do I see where you get the idea that I have an irrational attitude towards Thor. Is that attitude for or against him?

Is this because I ridiculed your "Hulk can never lose" post?

Originally posted by ODG
You might want to focus your scattered thoughts into a more coherent response. Overcoming your irrational attitude towards Thor might help in that.

if something i said was wrong, please enlighten me.
if not then find better things to do with your time.

You answered your own question with your mock debate, sam.

Galactus never beat the shit out of heralds physically, i guess that means he cannot do that?
you see sometimes when we know for a fact someone is capable of doing something its just dumb to ask for scans showing him does that.
spider man never takes a dump in comics, would you ask for scans proving he can take a shit?

Would... would it be weird if provided such scans...?

That... is neither here not there wolverinos

@SamZED not in the slightest.
this is the internet

Originally posted by wolverinos
only thing is we have seen superman plenty of times speedblitzing and using his speed in a fight.
but of course superman is not thor , therefor non of his feats counts no matter how many times he will repeat same feat over and over.
but thor 200 years ago using mjolnir to suck someones soul 1 singular time will be always part of his skill set.

LOL!! You must have a secret crush on Thor.

Originally posted by Mshinu
Meh, clearly Hulk posesses quite dynamic speed, like Lobo got dynamic strength. He can struggle with street level scum in this department, while heralds with super-duper speed fail to gain any clear advantage the same way.

In short I don`t see supes taking down Hulkie Boy in a fraction of a second this way.

Neither do I, but there IS a contigent here who took often resorts to Superman "stunning" and opponent and then "speed blitzing" them, and the fight is supposedly over. We see it day in and day out.