Feats vs Logic

Originally posted by ODG
You misunderstand what CIS-free means. -Pr- and Badabing have reinforced many times over the years that CIS-off isn't a made-up forum avatar who can perform feats that have never actually been performed on-panel -- simply because you theorize the character is capable.

I can only hope for your sake that this misunderstanding is responsible for your warped approach; which says nothing of your attitude here. You might want to focus your scattered thoughts into a more coherent response. Overcoming your irrational attitude towards Thor might help in that.

I disagree on one thing- The idea of Superman punching in such a fashion is no more theoretical than me saying if I push you off a bridge, you will fall in the water. He can do it whether it has actually been shown on panel or not.

Originally posted by curryman
Sam's example isn't a made up feat.

Superman's not mentally retarded, and he can move girders and weld stuff at a gazillion times the speed of comics. Naturally he should be able to punch at that same speed.

That's not theorycraft with a powerset.

I see a distinction between CIS-free and whatever you want to call powerset mode.

I'm glad to see your edited your post to make it a bit angrier.

Time to lay off the projection.

I don't see what Thor has to do with this, nor do I see where you get the idea that I have an irrational attitude towards Thor. Is that attitude for or against him?

Is this because I ridiculed your "Hulk can never lose" post?

Dude, his that last statement was in response to wolverinos' nonsense!

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
LOL!! You must have a secret crush on Thor.

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Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I disagree on one thing- The idea of Superman punching in such a fashion is no more theoretical than me saying if I push you off a bridge, you will fall in the water. He can do it whether it has actually been shown on panel or not.

only thing is, superman did it more than once, if you would actually read DC comics and not repeat after everybody like a parrot, you would see superman used combat speed blitzing several good times.

Originally posted by wolverinos
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You should have reported yourself for trying to turn this post into a Thor bash fest. How about you respond to the topic so you can stop getting laughed at?

Originally posted by wolverinos
only thing is, superman did it more than once, if you would actually read DC comics and not repeat after everybody like a parrot, you would see superman used combat speed blitzing several good times.

Shut up. No one was talking to you and don't tell me I need to read D.C. comics. To be more clear, f*#k D.C. Comics. Now go report youself for troll walking.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
You should have reported yourself for trying to turn this post into a Thor bash fest. How about you respond to the topic so you can stop getting laughed at?

how about you put on your glasses and see my respond to the topic.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Shut up. No one was talking to you and don't tell me I need to read D.C. comics. To be more clear, f*#k D.C. Comics. Now go report youself for troll walking.

no one was talking to you either, however it did not stop you from talking to me, if you are stating dumb thigs without any knowledge of what the hell you are talking about, i am going to slap you for that and show you the stupidity in your ways.

you should go to a shrink to look up closer on your mental disorders, i seriously believe a superman drawing stole your sister or something (because a girlfriend you clearly would never have).

Originally posted by wolverinos
no one was talking to you either, however it did not stop you from talking to me, if you are stating dumb thigs without any knowledge of what the hell you are talking about, i am going to slap you for that and show you the stupidity in your ways.

you should go to a shrink to look up closer on your mental disorders, i seriously believe a superman drawing stole your sister or something (because a girlfriend you clearly would never have).

"A girlfriend?" How old are you, 14 at the most? I'm a grown man, kind of like the one that abandon you at an early age and f*&ked you head up for life. You won't be slapping anything except your own baby monkey. I spoke to the topic, you are the one that tried to get in a few licks on Thor like the scandalous brawd you are. When you do weak stuff like that, you are going to get called on it. Don't go crying to the mods, just tighten you game up a bit and speak to the topic, which you have yet to do.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
"A girlfriend?" How old are you, 14 at the most? I'm a grown man, kind of like the one that abandon you at an early age and f*&ked you head up for life. You won't be slapping anything except your own baby monkey. I spoke to the topic, you are the one that tried to get in a few licks on Thor like the scandalous brawd you are. When you do weak stuff like that, you are going to get called on it. Don't go crying to the mods, just tighten you game up a bit and speak to the topic, which you have yet to do.

a grown man that sits here and trading trash talk with teenagers on comic book forums?
you are seriously f**ked in the head.
thats funny because i am actually slapping you around and shoving your nose into the facts, revealing your ignorance about comics and about life🙂.

dude... i repeat... you have mental issues go sort your problems and fast, if as a grown up thats what you do..... get a f**kin job loser.

anyway as a Hulk defender i always receive illogical issues from Superman Offenders who force my hand into the same boat...i tried my darndest but my logic means nothing to guys who literally connect Comics with Science...we know it can never be 100% Consistant all the time because Writers&Artists constantly change...DC vs Marvel? who is more Consistant?

Welp. This thread is going exactly as expected.

Sam, I expect your flaw was to create an example involving Kal and Hulk. Kept in the abstract, there might have actually been decent discussion.

Originally posted by curryman
Sam's example isn't a made up feat.

Superman's not mentally retarded, and he can move girders and weld stuff at a gazillion times the speed of comics. Naturally he should be able to punch at that same speed.

That's not theorycraft with a powerset.

I see a distinction between CIS-free and whatever you want to call powerset mode.

Originally posted by curryman
I'm glad to see your edited your post to make it a bit angrier.

Time to lay off the projection.

I don't see what Thor has to do with this, nor do I see where you get the idea that I have an irrational attitude towards Thor. Is that attitude for or against him?

Is this because I ridiculed your "Hulk can never lose" post?

And the mention of Thor has little to do with you, as I was responding to wolverinos, not you. Reread it.

Originally posted by SamZED
- Superman easilly beats Hulk by punching him 10 thousand times in a second.
- when has Superman ever done that?
- he hasn't. But he has the speed for it. We've seen him rebuild an entire city in a matter of seconds. Surely that's way harder than throwing punches.
- Well, he's never actually done it on-pannel so STFU.

I've seen a debate like that on various vs forums. Where do you stand on the subject and why?

Originally posted by wolverinos
if something i said was wrong, please enlighten me.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
I disagree on one thing- The idea of Superman punching in such a fashion is no more theoretical than me saying if I push you off a bridge, you will fall in the water. He can do it whether it has actually been shown on panel or not.

Why should I care about what Superman has never done before on-panel? When there is a wealth of feats he's actually performed and a wealth of fights that he's fought? We are talking about thousands of issues of published fiction to draw from and there seems to be this attitude that this somehow isn't enough.

What I have seen is dozens of instances where Superman rushes an opponent with a flurry of punches. And rarely, if ever, do I see it result in more than a staggering of the Hulk-class foe. And there have been times where it kinda gets no-sold. That suggests something. And while that "something" may not align with preconceived notions, it's not like it's based on nothing.

It's based on comics.

There is a difference between can a character do something vs. will they do it if they can.

We all know Superman can throw thousands of punches in a second at the very least.

Originally posted by ODG
I already did. The idea that Superman can instantly defeat a Hulk-level foe with thousands of punches within a second is theoretical. Because it's never happened before. I can assume Thor can also command Mjolnir to blitz Hulk thousands of times at ftl speeds also to instantly defeat him. But he's never actually done it, so who cares? Hell, why can't Thor quickly summon galaxy-rending mystic whirlwinds too based on him once containing a 1/5th universe destroying blast once with those whirlwinds? Because he's never actually done that, so who cares?

Why should I care about what Superman has never done before on-panel? When there is a wealth of feats he's actually performed and a wealth of fights that he's fought? We are talking about thousands of issues of published fiction to draw from and there seems to be this attitude that this somehow isn't enough.

What I have seen is dozens of instances where Superman rushes an opponent with a flurry of punches. And rarely, if ever, do I see it result in more than a staggering of the Hulk-class foe. And there have been times where it kinda gets no-sold. That suggests something. And while that "something" may not align with preconceived notions, it's not like it's based on nothing.

It's based on comics.

In reality Superman can't hit Hulk with thousands of punches in one second to ko him. This is because Hulk will most likely get sent flying from a punch hard enough to rock him. But if Hulk was glued to an adamantium wall then Superman could do it. Superman has the speed and the power to do such things.
But can Thor do something vs. will he do it is two different things.
It takes logic and common sense to know whether someone can do something based off their power set and what they have done in comics. It takes reading comics and learning the character to know would they choose or be able to think of such things to do.

The question should be "in a forum fight should there be an argument on Superman blitzing Hulk a thousand times before he can react, or Surfer opening a Black Hole in Superman head or turning his costume to kryptonite or trapping him inside his board...or should we debate on Thor creating a million tornados with the power of a thousand winds against Superman while raining down magical lightning while at the same time having Mjlonir speed blitzing him left and right.

None of these showings have been displayed in a comics but both Thor and Surfer are capable of this.

Originally posted by ODG
You misunderstand what CIS-free means. -Pr- and Badabing have reinforced many times over the years that CIS-off isn't a made-up forum avatar who can perform feats that have never actually been performed on-panel -- simply because you theorize the character is capable.

I can only hope for your sake that this misunderstanding is responsible for your warped approach; which says nothing of your attitude here. You might want to focus your scattered thoughts into a more coherent response. Overcoming your irrational attitude towards Thor might help in that.

Who kept up with Flash Attosecond? Scans?