Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Incorrect. Sidious and Yoda by ROTS are virtually equal in ability. And yet Mace considers the possibility that Anakin is superior to himself and Yoda. Meaning that yes, Anakin would give anyone in the order a run for their money.Mace doesn't say Anakin is arguably the best swordsman in the order he says he is arguably the most powerful.
Yeah but his key word is arguably.
Not that he's flat out the most powerful in any way possible.
If he thought he's the Jedi with the most raw power, and possibly the most powerful swordsman, then he might think he's arguably the most powerful.
But we've just seen nothing consistent from Skywalker to make us think he's above TCW Maul level in Force TK. (I'm honestly even hesitant to put him at Maul level).
Remember as of ROTS Lucas states you have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor(on a consistent basis I'm guessing). The only possible reason Skywalker would be left out is because(on a consistent basis) he's just too outclassed by Sidious in Force TK(barring some one-off Mortis Uber feat), like Kenobi was against Count Dooku.
Edit- Of course the Mortis Feat may have Retconned the whole competing with Sidious statement.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
He very well could be neph, dooku only beat kenobi in ROTS due to force powers, and mace is normally equal to dooku, unless he's being super-amped due to figuring out the leader of his beloved republic is the dark lord
Nah, according to RaFoDV, Dooku simply outfought him.
Notice how Kenobi makes no attempt to block the first Force Push, so even if their force powers were equal he still would have got force pushed(just not as far).
And notice how Dooku parries back Kenobi's Saber (and Skywalker's for that matter) to create the opening to Force Choke Kenobi (and slam kick Skywalker).
And if he can slam kick Skywalker I see no reason why he wouldn't be slam kicking Kenobi in a one on one with either equal or no Force TK powers used.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yeah but his key word is arguably.Not that he's flat out the most powerful in any way possible.
If he thought he's the Jedi with the most raw power, and possibly the most powerful swordsman, then he might think he's arguably the most powerful.
But we've just seen nothing consistent from Skywalker to make us think he's above TCW Maul level in Force TK. (I'm honestly even hesitant to put him at Maul level).
Remember as of ROTS Lucas states you have to be Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emperor(on a consistent basis I'm guessing). The only possible reason Skywalker would be left out is because(on a consistent basis) he's just too outclassed by Sidious in Force TK(barring some one-off Mortis Uber feat), like Kenobi was against Count Dooku.
[b]Edit- Of course the Mortis Feat may have Retconned the whole competing with Sidious statement.
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Or maybe because why would Anakin fight the Emperor at that point. The same reason Dooku isn't mentioned in the equation in spite of him being stated in canon to be equal to Mace by multiple sources.
I'm not saying Anakin would defeat Sidious, but to say that he'd get slaughtered by Sidious is way too far. Like I said.
Sidious>Anakin
but Sidious is not >>>> Anakin.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Or maybe because why would Anakin fight the Emperor at that point. The same reason Dooku isn't mentioned in the equation in spite of him being stated in canon to be equal to Mace by multiple sources.I'm not saying Anakin would defeat Sidious, but to say that he'd get slaughtered by Sidious is way too far. Like I said.
Sidious>Anakin
but Sidious is not >>>> Anakin.
Since the quote was in response to why the Jedi B-team got cut down so easily, I always assumed it was in context of which Jedi could compete with the Emperor.
Hence Dooku not being mentioned. Also there could be the fact that Dooku was already dead?
But yeah I see your point, not only is Dooku equal to Mace, but we've seen him fight off Yoda (Sidious's equal). So it really doesn't make any sense at all to say the guy who battered Dooku would not even give the Emperor a fight.
But in terms of average showings it could just be that Skywalker has good enough Force TK to compete against Dooku/Mace but not Sidious/Yoda.
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Or maybe because why would Anakin fight the Emperor at that point. The same reason Dooku isn't mentioned in the equation in spite of him being stated in canon to be equal to Mace by multiple sources.I'm not saying Anakin would defeat Sidious, but to say that he'd get slaughtered by Sidious is way too far. Like I said.
Sidious>Anakin
but Sidious is not >>>> Anakin.
Sidious would slaughter Anakin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. But Vitiate wasn't even a person when Lucas said that. He's talking only in terms of the movies.
Prove that he was talking about the movies.
Anakin by the point he is referencing wasn't even going to fight Sidious. + The emotional power Sidious holds over him is considerable. Anakin was emotionally destroyed to the point that he couldn't speak as per ROTS. But as for raw combat power he can challenge Sidious. Defeat? No. But put up a good fight? Yes.