Originally posted by Master Han
...as impressive as this may be, it's difficult to place him amongst the upper tiers because we really have no idea how powerful Jerec and the other dark jedi are. That they can use unorthodox styles and were trained by Sidious doesn't necessarily make them The Big Shit.
Yes, it should be noted that Sidious was holding out on him, withholding the best Sith training.
Jerec *wanted* to be Sidious's Sith Apprentice, but wasn't given the sith secrets reserved for them yet.
That said, he was very strong for a dark Jedi.
simply put: revan DEFINITELY isnt number 3. barsen and hero are ahead, and windu is ahead. kyp is arguably ahead of him as well, gonna look at some feats tho.
here's some kyp feats, as mentioned earlier by master han
1. He manipulates dorvin basals with greater ease than Luke did (at least on Skywalker's first try)
2. He uses a destroyed freighter as a telekinetic weapon in Dark Journey (props to anyone who could find this...)
3. He develops the method of hurling shadow bombs via telekinesis.
4. IIRC, Luke himself suggested that Kyp Durron could become more powerful than "all of us".
also he was the only person outside of the skywalker/solo families to be the next dark lord
Originally posted by Nephthys
Considering Satele herself calls the Hero of Tython the orders greatest champion, I disagree with her being above him/her.Agreed on Kyp.
V Oh yeah. The Hero beat Vitiate while Revan got owned by him, so I'd switch those two also.
1. Satele is more well rounded, and she may have said that because she was no longer in her prime. She at one point stalemated Baras in a duel, who matched the Hero's counterpart in saber combat. She's not outmatched by the Hero in a contest of sabers--But she does outmatch him with both TK, and light saber-catchery. She just seems better based on her abilities. Also--Wasn't there a statement saying Satele was the Emperor's greatest foe?
2. I'm glad.
3. Revan didn't exactly get owned, I mean, he needs some props for putting Vitiate on his ass twice, then telepathically battling Vitiate, which caused the delay of Sith/Jedi war for 3 centuries. The Hero, on the other hand, had won--But remember that he fought the voice--Who I would bet has lesser Force Potential than Vitiate's true body, and thus less to work with. He was also somewhat weakened, even if he had recovery time when the Hero saved Kira Carsen. Just as Satele does, Revan just seems to be more well rounded and more versatile in his abilities. My mind could be changed, though.
Any comment on my placing of Nomi?
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
simply put: revan DEFINITELY isnt number 3. barsen and hero are ahead, and windu is ahead. kyp is arguably ahead of him as well, gonna look at some feats tho.here's some kyp feats, as mentioned earlier by master han
1. He manipulates dorvin basals with greater ease than Luke did (at least on Skywalker's first try)
2. He uses a destroyed freighter as a telekinetic weapon in Dark Journey (props to anyone who could find this...)
3. He develops the method of hurling shadow bombs via telekinesis.
4. IIRC, Luke himself suggested that Kyp Durron could become more powerful than "all of us".also he was the only person outside of the skywalker/solo families to be the next dark lord
How large is said freighter, what is a shadow bomb, and how is this applicable in combat? Also, does he have saberfeats?
Imma copy Neph:
But Kyp no longer needed this particular missile. He ordered Octa's squadron to regroup in a defensive position around the Jedi scientist's ship."As the Master says, size matters not," he murmured.
He released his hold on the second missile, not caring that it was swallowed by one of the coralskipper's stuttering singularities. Reaching deep into himself, he sought resources he had not used for many years.
Once before, Kyp had seized a ship and dragged it out of the fierce heart of a gas giant. Now he reached out with the Force and took hold of the dead freighter.
It shot forward with astonishing ease, moving steadily through the vacuum of space toward the shielded coral-skipper.
Lan Rim's dark chuckle came through the comm. "Subtle as always, Kyp! Let's not let this one get away, Dozen!" he shouted.
The lieutenant spun off in a tight turn, his two surviving pilots following closely. They darted around the big coralskipper, cutting off its retreat, taking and returning fire from the other enemy skips. Their daring maneuvers soon exacted a price-lan's ship got caught in a Yuuzhan Vong crossfire. The double blast of plasma proved too much for his shields, and the ship dissolved in a bright splatter of plasma and superheated metal.
The pilots Lan had commanded doggedly held the course he'd plotted. The XJs continued to harry the big skip, forcing it to keep up its stuttering shields as the dead freighter closed in. At the last moment, the surviving X-wings shot away toward safety.
The freighter never got close. One moment it was there; the next it simply disappeared into a void. What happened next was not exactly what Kyp had had in mind.
He'd hoped for a physical impact, or, barring that, that the freighter might overwhelm the dovin basal's capacity, leaving the big coralskipper vulnerable to attack. It had never occurred to him that the skip's multiple singularities might merge into one and fold in on the Yuuzhan Vong ship like a glove turning inside out. But suddenly, the freighter was gone. So was the coralskipper.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
where is it ever stated that baras was a master of saber combat?edit: yeah, nomi shouldn't be that high either
1. So now matching the Sith Warrior class in saber combat doesn't make him a lightsaber master relevant to the likes of the Jedi Knight class? 😮
2. But she's so beastly! Hard to properly rank, as I don't own TOTJ.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
How large is said freighter, what is a shadow bomb, and how is this applicable in combat? Also, does he have saberfeats?
he has hurled these shadow bombs, which were quite like proton torpedoes, at yuuzhan vong starships. the freighter was said to be large i believe. about saber feats, idk, but after one week, he surpassed all of the students at the praxeum, and luke considered him frighteningly powerful.
edit: does baras have any saber feats? and im prty sure the wrath beats baras in both of the saber duels, despite that baras was being amped by sel makor, and that this wasnt the case when he fought satele, and that when satele fought baras, it may not have been prime baras.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1. So now matching the Sith Warrior class in saber combat doesn't make him a lightsaber master relevant to the likes of the Jedi Knight class? 😮
Or he focuses on force powers rather than saber combat.
Anyway, no reason to believe the Sith Warrior=Jedi Knight.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
She at one point stalemated Baras in a duel, who matched the Hero's counterpart in saber combat.
Nah. I'm assuming you are talking about their "duel" in ToP. Yes?
All they really did was clash sabers once. It wasn't much of a duel.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1. Satele is more well rounded, and she may have said that because she was no longer in her prime. She at one point stalemated Baras in a duel, who matched the Hero's counterpart in saber combat. She's not outmatched by the Hero in a contest of sabers--But she does outmatch him with both TK, and light saber-catchery. She just seems better based on her abilities. Also--Wasn't there a statement saying Satele was the Emperor's greatest foe?
Thats a good point, but even in her prime Satele was only matching Baras and was losing to Malgus. She's clearly intensely powerful, but nowhere near the Emperor. As Ares pointed out, Baras didn't really match the Wrath or Satele in lightsabers, nor is the Wrath the Hero's equal. As for the Hero being outmatched in TK and the Force, I think thats wrong. Firstly because the Hero is shown blocking Vitiates Force powers and beating him and Vitiate is a lot more powerful than Satele. The Hero can weather Vitiates attacks, when I seriously doubt Satele could. Secondly, a darkside choice has the Hero overpowering Vitiate in TK and killing him.
As for her being the Emperor's greatest foe, I think that was said but a) I don't know where, the context or if it was and b) its wrong.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
3. Revan didn't exactly get owned, I mean, he needs some props for putting Vitiate on his ass twice, then telepathically battling Vitiate, which caused the delay of Sith/Jedi war for 3 centuries. The Hero, on the other hand, had won--But remember that he fought the voice--Who I would bet has lesser Force Potential than Vitiate's true body, and thus less to work with. He was also somewhat weakened, even if he had recovery time when the Hero saved Kira Carsen. Just as Satele does, Revan just seems to be more well rounded and more versatile in his abilities. My mind could be changed, though.Any comment on my placing of Nomi?
Yeah, I guess you can say he wasn't owned, even if he was beaten inside of a page, but my point is that Revan lost while the Hero didn't. And no, its been pretty conclusively shown that it wasn't Vitiates voice, one of the lead writers for the Knight campaign said "The Jedi Knight defeats the Emperor at the end, and the Emperor's body does die.” And even if he was weakened, he was on an extremely potent darkside nexus which would boost him and weaken the Hero and the Hero has to fight through Kaas City and the Imperial Guard at the Dark Temple to get to him, so its not as if HoT was walking into that fight whistling either.