Originally posted by Nai
Your inability to grasp my point is testament to your proficiency in the analysis and debating business.
Blah blah, been addressed. But I still see some more blah blah from you.
Anyway, what I mean by your ignorance of context/circumstances surrounding fights, well, you'll see when I expose it.
Originally posted by Nai
What an artistically articulated tirade.
But you're still missing the point, which was the difference between self-evaluation in your case and a rating of debating skills through others in mine.That aside: You do realize, that I have just as many years on in improving my quality as a debater now, than I had five years ago, right?
The only one missing the point here, is you. You were looked up to back then by a bunch of minors, most of whom don't even visit these forums anymore. But a few of them who are still here have matured and the quality of their debating skills have improved dramatically, while yours have not despite the added years.
Back then, you were fully grown and probably already through college or almost through it, while the majority you were debating were still in their early years of high school. Don't brag so much about what they thought of you back then, especially when you had so much years on them.
BTW, all you do is self praise. I mean seriously, how many times have you mentioned your primary language being German? Seems like every single debate. We get it by now, you can debate in a secondary language.
*clap clap*
There's your kudos, now you can stop reminding everyone.
Originally posted by Nai
Since you've never belonged to that particular crowd of people and – as I may add – never will, I'd advise you to stick to your trade, before you seriously hurt yourself.
But I'm better than you at debating a vs match. 😉
And trust me, I won't hurt myself.
Originally posted by Nai
So for Sidious, fighting Yoda on equal ground would be an extremely unfavourable thing, not just because of sacrificing 2/3s of his offensive abilities, but also because Yoda's "usual" hight of attack would be Sidious lower section - at the Jedi Masters maximum reach and power. So having Yoda on the "high part" of the platform is nothing but an advantage for Sidious, in both offense and defense: Neither does he need to aim his strikes down at Yoda, sacrificing speed and strength, nor are Yoda's attacks delivered on the least defensible part of Sidious body.
I notice you didn't mention many of Yoda's main disadvantages while fighting on even ground, like reach and height, and the fact that Yoda uses a shorter lightsaber than most. Going for the legs can be responded to by giving ground or a nice leap, which may leave Yoda open to have a saber sliced through his head. For example, when play fighting with my nephew, I'm able to reach out and touch his head before he is able to touch me, because I can easily give ground and reach out further. Same way with Yoda, his opponents have more reach on top of having longer lightsabers. Furthermore, your point is easily debunked by the fact that Yoda doesn't really rely on foot work during saber duel, but instead relies on acrobats, never staying on the ground for long, and often tries to find higher parts to leap on. In fact, most of his attacks occur while he is in mid-air. So again, Yoda was not at a disadvantage on the platform him and Sidious were fighting on; he had room to do circles around Sidious, and he also had higher parts to rest on while he overpowered Sidious in saber locks, which is something he couldn't do with Dooku, as he didn't have anything to stand on in order to force Dooku's saber down. (This debunks your claim that Dooku did better just because he didn't make the grunts Sidious did. We know for a fact that if he can overpower Sidious in a saber lock, he can most certainly do the same to Dooku with far more ease, considering that Sidious is far stronger than Dooku considering both their performances against Savage)
Originally posted by Nai
On Yoda's part I don't see much advantage there. Sure. He doesn't need to jump as high to place swings on the upper defense of Sidious, but from the perspective of a swordfighter, that already is a nonsensical tactic on Yoda's part, unless attempting to confuse his opponent with the variety of possible points for attack. And even then, he doesn't seem to have much trouble utilizing his artistics against an opponent on equal ground, as seen in his fights against Dooku. In one of those fights, he's even seen alternating the route of his movement while in mid-air.
The only advantage Sidious had on the platform, was not having to defend his lower and middle section as much, and not having to bend over to try to attack Yoda, but that's about it. Though that wasn't the case throughout their entire duel, as it started on even ground, and when they took it to the confined platform, there were times Yoda was fighting on the lower section, but ironically chose to stay on the higher part for the majority of the fight, hmm?
Originally posted by Nai
And this part here is heavily conflicting with what we know about Sidious fighting style. He is a very efficient duellist, capable of manouvering and handling his blade in a very precise fashion, demonstrated in the instance where he ran his blade around Darth Maul's silhuetto in a blurring speed, so close that Maul commented on it, that a twitching of one of his muscles would have resulted in serious injury. That aside, we saw Sidious utilizing confined space to his advantage when confronting the Jedi strike team in his office. Again, I'd say Yoda does suffer far more from confined space, given that he needs wide swings to even out his lack of physical strength / reach and relies heavily upon accrobatic manouvers - far more so than Sidious himself.
None of that was taken away from Yoda in the confined space, as Yoda was constantly doing acrobatic maneuvers around Sidious. And Yoda doesn't need wider swings to even out his lack of strength, he has the force to enhance is physical strength just as Sidious does. Furthermore, where do you get that he was unable to throw wider swings. Stop talking out of your ass lol. Again, Yoda was hardly affected by the confined, certainly not to the extent that Sidious was.
And what I said is not conflicting with what we see from Sidious. We seen Sidious leap from a great distance and slaughter two master swordsman faster than they can react, we see Sidious giving ground and doing an acrobatic maneuvers in order to evade "Ferocious" assaults by Windu. Hell, we see Sidious is more than able to perform acrobats during his battle with the Maul bros, and can seemingly us the force to propel himself both frontwards and backwards (seemingly gliding). These were things taken away from him in a confined platform.
Originally posted by Nai
Taking the stuff above into consideration, I imagine Sidious wouldn't fare better on equal ground, since he will find himself in far less benefitial conditions for himself, while all advantages (aside from the need to perform higher jumps) are on Yoda's side. Yes, there won't be the threat to be pushed over an edge - but there would be the risk to get cornered by a similar assault from Yoda, with the result being a whirlwind with a lightsaber hacking away at your legs. Certainly not desireable.
Well you can imagine all you want, but you're still wrong. 😉
On even ground, there would be a risk of being attacked by Yoda by a similar assault, but it can be responded to by giving ground or leaping away. On the confined platform, there was no way for Sidious to respond to Yoda's ferocious assault other than almost losing his balance and nearly going over edge, due to his lack of space to maneuver in.
Oh, and as for your 2/3 estimation, did you do this quick estimation in your head? 😂
I'll get to the rest later. I'll appreciate if you let me finish before you respond to this post. But if you have a desperate urge to respond to it, then I guess I can't stop you.
