Hyperion vs. Ultraman

Started by Prof. T.C McAbe27 pages

Universes push against the world, hype is inbetween, he holds them apart till the pressure breaks the worlds, they crumble universes connect and die. Two planets holding apart till they break, not universes because they never stopped to advance/push toward each other. It's really simple to understand.

Anyway Hyperion is on my team, with his new Generalist Costume!

Didn't Hickman himself say that Hyperion held apart 2 universes?

Here's something about it but I think there's another one where it's even more directly answered.

http://www.comicvine.com/images/1300-3064091

Hickman mastered the art of not directly answering questions on formspring, lol.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Didn't Hickman himself say that Hyperion held apart 2 universes?

That's not under contention by anyone.

Learn how to read.

The limit specifically shown that he held back was planet shattering force. Period.

Ultraman.

Hyperion

Originally posted by panthergod
That's not under contention by anyone.

Learn how to read.

The limit specifically shown that he held back was planet shattering force. Period.

Except if the writer specifies he held back 2 universes, that would mean it was greater than planetary force.

And don't be condescending. It impresses no one.

Originally posted by 80sBaby
Except if the writer specifies he held back 2 universes, that would mean it was greater than planetary force.
Earths can't sustain more than planetary force - if you're holding them, by definition, you can't sustain more than they can.

If the writer says that he held two universes back it doesn't contradict anything - he did. He kept the Earths separated, for as long as they didn't break. That's holding back two universes from colliding [for a short while]

Real World logic doesn't equal comic logic. We've learned this on too many of occasions. Example. Earth not crumbling when GL and Superman was pulling against Star Breaker. That's just one thing.

Originally posted by carver9
Real World logic doesn't equal comic logic. We've learned this on too many of occasions. Example. Earth not crumbling when GL and Superman was pulling against Star Breaker. That's just one thing.
Did you miss the part where the Earths did crumble on Ultraman? That in itself showed they can't sustain the pressure.

Earths can't sustain more than planetary force - if you're holding them, by definition, you can't sustain more than they can. If the writer says that he held two universes back it doesn't contradict anything - he did. He kept the Earths separated, for as long as they didn't break. That's holding back two universes from colliding [for a short while]

You are aware this is a comic book and not a physics book, right?

Originally posted by carver9
Real World logic doesn't equal comic logic. We've learned this on too many of occasions. Example. Earth not crumbling when GL and Superman was pulling against Star Breaker. That's just one thing.

But they DID crumble....

Originally posted by 80sBaby
You are aware this is a comic book and not a physics book, right?
If we're using the 'it's comic books', then I might aswell consider that what Hyperion did is the equivalent of lifting a cutton tank, because 'weight' and 'pressure' are random. Everything goes, right?

Tread carefully.

If you take the absurd position that the Earths can sustain an entire universe's weight [a sentence which, by the way, drops the collective IQ by dozens of points], then it's your job to prove it. As it is - the Earths did crumble from the pressure. A fact that you and carver [esteemed company] seem to omit 🙂

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they DID crumble....
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This is just ridiculous.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they DID crumble....

They crumbled later on but he stopped them both in their track. Him stopping them, that's where we should start using common sense. If people stop applying real world logic to a comic book, they'll be able to grasp what happened.

Originally posted by carver9
They crumbled later on but he stopped them both in their track. Him stopping them, that's where we should start using common sense.

Yes, he stopped them. And they crumbled. Guess why?

What common sense, that Earth can't sustain a Universe's worth of pressure?

Don't use "common sense" when you're as far off it as I am from the Andromeda Galaxy.

Originally posted by carver9
They crumbled later on but he stopped them both in their track. Him stopping them, that's where we should start using common sense. If people stop applying real world logic to a comic book, they'll be able to grasp what happened.

Like I said before, how long he stopped them for is the issue.

It never says he stopped them in their tracks. Lol at you using the word 'later on' to imply a significant amount of time had passed.

He merely held them apart until they crumbled.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111224664/4469367-1399570914-28801.jpg

That's like saying you held two cars apart until your twigs broke.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's like saying you held two cars apart until your twigs broke.
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Unfortunately my balloons analogy was too high-brow for many people here.

If we're using the 'it's comic books', then I might aswell consider that what Hyperion did is the equivalent of lifting a cutton tank, because 'weight' and 'pressure' are random. Everything goes, right? Tread carefully. If you take the absurd position that the Earths can sustain an entire universe's weight [a sentence which, by the way, drops the collective IQ by dozens of points], then it's your job to prove it. As it is - the Earths did crumble from the pressure. A fact that you and carver [esteemed company] seem to omit 🙂

I'd say this is true, within reason.

I would say that the intention was to show Hyperion was holding apart 2 universes, albeit briefly. However, like most of these ridiculous/"non-physics" feats, it's not like it's his average or even something I would use to conclusively prove he's stronger than other characters in the same tier.