Hyperion vs. Ultraman

Originally posted by carver9
Yes.

Which was?

One Punch was saying we can't use logic - as we have seen in the very same storyline, Cap doing exactly the same thing without the planet crumbling, despite it being the focal point.

My counterpoint, is that Cap did so with an item capable of rewriting reality. Laws of logic, physics and so on break down when you have an item.

If Cap desires to push an entire universe away, the IG will make it happen. Or at least, try its damn hardest. And all the factors needed for such an event to occur, will all fall into place.

And for some reason, you jump on my use of the word 'wish'.

Cap /w/ IG didn't just push the alternate earth back. He sent it into the distant future:

Glad I could help sort out this confusion. 🙂

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Not that there was need for evidence to prove that using the omnipotent Infinity Gauntlet is completely different than just pushing the planets using physical force, but cool.

Yall should stick to the matter at hand, Hyperion.

In which case, I personally haven't seen anything disproving what he visually did on panel corroborated by the writer.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Yall should stick to the matter at hand, Hyperion.

In which case, I personally haven't seen anything disproving what he visually did on panel corroborated by the writer.

Of course. Which is hold back planet shattering force. Exclusively.

Originally posted by One-Punch
^ I can't quote you for some reason.

See my response to Darksaint regarding IG functionality in only native universes.

Note that Reed says Cap is... "[b]LITERALLY pushing an entire universe" by pushing the alternate Earth.

He used the word literally because that's what cap was doing in the scene. He wasn't wishing away the incursion or re-writing reality. He simply tried pushing it away.

http://i.stack.imgur.com/JA5sp.jpg

Also like I said before, your analogies treat the alternate Earth as a separate object from the incurring universe. As if the alternate Earth is being pushed against a universe or something.

But they're not separate entities. The alternate Earth IS part of the incurring universe. [/B]

Cap didn't move he Earth alone which dragged the universe with it--lmao! . Heoced the entire universe simultaneously. The Earth was the tip of the iceberg for that universe that the Illuminati could see from their vantage point at the Incursion point. He never moved the universe by pushing the planet alone, and only an illiterate can't see that fact.

Originally posted by carver9
"Hyperion held them apart" until the world broke.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14972905/Avengers_004-Zone-013.jpg.html

Which means he held it back until Earth shattering force was generated. Period.

Originally posted by panthergod
Which means he held it back until Earth shattering force was generated. Period.

It means that he holds it back until the Earths are no longer able to withstand the force exerted on them. Yes, the Earths do withstand the force of two universes for an unspecified period. It's not much more ridiculous than the relatively microscopic surface area of Hyperion's arms holding the worlds apart.

Except it didn't.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Except it didn't.

Sure it did.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
It means that he holds it back until the Earths are no longer able to withstand the force exerted on them. Yes, the Earths do withstand the force of two universes for an unspecified period. It's not much more ridiculous than the relatively microscopic surface area of Hyperion's arms holding the worlds apart.

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they withstood force, yes, until they crumbled. why do you think the planets withstood entire universes of mass before they reached the crumbling point? makes far more sense to say they withstood what they were capable of withstanding, and broke. logically, saying they withstood full universal mass is....pretty f'n ridiculous.

ps--this thread was great. lol i miss philo and odg 🙁

Originally posted by leonidas
they withstood force, yes, until they crumbled. why do you think the planets withstood entire universes of mass before they reached the crumbling point? makes far more sense to say they withstood what they were capable of withstanding, and broke. logically, saying they withstood full universal mass is....pretty f'n ridiculous.

ps--this thread was great. lol i miss philo and odg 🙁

But what exactly do they withstand before they crumble? If I hang a weight from the ceiling using a band and the weight dangles for 10 seconds before the band breaks, then that band was able to hold that weight for 10 seconds.

Why would you think that there is a change of force between the time Hyperion touches the two planets and the time they crumble as if there is a universal driver who decides to push down on the gas pedal when he realizes that the universe is no longer moving?

If the two planets had made contact immediately without having Hyperion's interference, they would have produced enough energy to destroy both universes. How could that happen if they aren't backed by universal force? The whole thing is ridiculousness from a real world perspective but that is common in comics.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
But what exactly do they withstand before they crumble?

that's the question. the answer i see from a lot of people is that they somehow withstood "a full universe's worth" of inertia. that a planet could even momentarily withstand that kind of pressure seems.....unrealistic. even for a comic.

Why would you think that there is a change of force between the time Hyperion touches the two planets and the time they crumble as if there is a universal driver who decides to push down on the gas pedal when he realizes that the universe is no longer moving?

hmm, that's a question that might explain a lot of the confusion in this thread. i see him having stopped the planets from touching briefly, but NOT having halted the universes from moving. they continued to move until the inertia shattered the planets. i guess if you are equating the planets with the entire universes, then you'd see things differently. i don't understand how a planet can represent the inertia of an entire universe though. it is as you said, comics, just doesn't make sense. imo.

If the two planets had made contact immediately without having Hyperion's interference, they would have produced enough energy to destroy both universes. How could that happen if they aren't backed by universal force? The whole thing is ridiculousness from a real world perspective but that is common in comics. [/B]

again, it's a good question. i think the earth's merely represented the single point at which the universes touched--the incursion point. it wasn't the released energy from the planets that caused the destruction of the universes--again, that makes no sense. no planetary collision could cause universal destruction. the fact that the universes came into contact at all, even for an instant, is what caused destruction--2 universes can't exist in the same place for any time at all. so while hype held apart the incursion point, the universes themselves continued to advance, overwhelmed the planets, and the universes collided anyway....

thing is, it is STILL a retarded strength feat. no one has ever said different. but holding apart 2 universes? sorry man, i just see it different.

Hyperion catching a planet is better than Ultraman pushing a moon

Originally posted by Galan007
Cap /w/ IG didn't just push the alternate earth back. He sent it into the distant future:

Glad I could help sort out this confusion. 🙂

That's the rogue planet that was hurtling toward Earth, not the alternate Eath that Cap pushes back with the IG. Two totally different things.

Again, the planets destroyed by the incursion created a domino effect which destroyed the universes. Nothing more

Originally posted by abhilegend
Again, the planets destroyed by the incursion created a domino effect which destroyed the universes. Nothing more

Nothing you state is stated in the books.

Of course it is.

Where. The winter even tells us Hyperion pushed back Universes.