Originally posted by Rao Kal ElIncredible Hulk #122 and 153.
Care to share reference #?, all I have seen are temporary restraining devices which exploit the need for the Hulk to breath at certain stages.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElHe's stopped Hulk before.
You see? this is what I mean.How come a guy can go to the other side of the universe and back in time and still he acknowledges that He cannot find a way to stop the Hulk
Originally posted by ODG
Incredible Hulk #122 and 153. He's stopped Hulk before.
Those two look more like weakness exploitation. And mainly it looks like the Hulk rage level is not at high levels of stress.
Yet, the scenario changes a lot when facing someone like a mindless hulk, bannerless hulk or a WWH, which IMO will be closer to what DD power level is.
But mind this two scenarios mentioned are more like an specific weakness exploitation. Which "technically" DD does not has.
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElIf you're talking about WWH then his big plan was to calm Hulk down.
You see? this is what I mean.How come a guy can go to the other side of the universe and back in time and still he acknowledges that He cannot find a way to stop the Hulk or miscalculates that a Thor clone will go rogue?
I mean when it comes to the forum some character perform well above their tier.
Yes and Doom defeating PR Beyonder is PIS for the PR Beyonder, all and all a being of that much power will not even have the need of curiosity and will create a charade to study the human race in the whole multiverse. IMO anyway
Reed doesn't have a tier though. He's not overpowering things, he's not punching holes in space. He's just creating inventions. He will lose 100 fights, but that has nothing to do with his mind, same in reverse.
Anyway, Reed whipped out his Anti Galactus suit to one shot CAP who was beating characters like Sentry, Dr Strange, and like 20 other heroes at the same time easily. He had a gun that could fire anti matter that bounced around repeatedly that did what alternate UNs could not when he took down a Celestial. The guy literally pulled out a random gun that closed a black hole that was swallowing Earth, and all he wanted to do was contain Nova at the time. Hell right now the guy is traveling through time and even visited the Big Bang.
What Reed can do, he won't do in comics against his buddies like Hulk. He likes Hulk, he's not going to destroy him.
Well, Beyonder started fighting Doom with Galactus's power and he ultimately lost due to Galactus tech.
Beyonder's curiosity had nothing to do with that one. It just shows the tech Galactus is capable of
Originally posted by Rao Kal ElThose two are guns Reed invented that basically one-shot Hulk. Making excuses for how effective Reed created those guns doesn't change that he's created tech that has brought Hulk down. After all, he's created tech that has laid Abstracts low.
Those two look more like weakness exploitation.
So your supposition that Doomsday would present some sort of odd obstacle because Reed never seems to deal with superpowered bricks like he does with other problems is both baseless and contradictory to actual comics. Reed's smarts and ingenuity aren't stymied by Punchy McPunchers.
Originally posted by ODG
Weren't a few seconds of being in Galactus' Worldship enough to stagger Reed into dumbfounded silence during Secret Wars?
Guess it makes sense, since he's the only intellectual peer of Doom.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerhttp://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/HE%20Galactus%20tech/SS_5_009.jpg
That was then. Years later, in the very same spaceboat, Galactus matter-of-factly stated that Reed had a universally relevant intelligence.Guess it makes sense, since he's the only intellectual peer of Doom.
Reed knows Galactus is vastly smarter than him, even now. And that's under Pak
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff240/Branlactus/Raw%20power/Tech/HE%20Galactus%20tech/SS_5_009.jpgReed knows Galactus is vastly smarter than him, even now. And that's under Pak
To have your intellect directly acknowledged by one of the universe's premier Abstracts is quite telling. Which is in line with the fact that his mind was used as a blueprint for remaking reality.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerYes it is good.
You misunderstood my point. I am not saying that he's smarter than Galactus himself.To have your intellect directly acknowledged by one of the universe's premier Abstracts is quite telling. Which is in line with the fact that his mind was used as a blueprint for remaking reality.
Which reminds me of the arc you brought up, though no relevance. Lightwave, Maestro Jr, and Goddess X are on Earth apparently. I'd like to see them brought up some time since that could make for an interesting arc. Maybe under Miller (who really hammered how smart Reed was as well).
Originally posted by ODG
^ They left Earth on a ship made from their alternate Galactus' corpse to go... somewhere.
Though it's strange why the galactuscraft wasn't able to attain ftl speeds. Maybe Hickman trying to incorporate real life interstellar travel concepts?
Originally posted by iscaremonkeysBecause with beings like Namor and Thing it doesn't matter how many good feats they have on the forum because bios said they were lower than class 100 so their feats don't matter.
why are people treating thing as a non-factor here? Thing stalemates hulk until anger ensues. hes pretty strong in his own right
Not saying Thing would matter, it's just that this is how it works here for some reason. Thing is class '80', not the guy who has given numerous good fights to Thor, Hulk, and pretty much every other being along that level.
Originally posted by Branlor Swiftbut...that's ****ing retarted
Because with beings like Namor and Thing it doesn't matter how many good feats they have on the forum because bios said they were lower than class 100 so their feats don't matter.Not saying Thing would matter, it's just that this is how it works here for some reason. Thing is class '80', not the guy who has given numerous good fights to Thor, Hulk, and pretty much every other being along that level.
Originally posted by tkitnaim not saying thing BY HIMSELF distracts DD. Him jhonny and Sue. My argument is that Thing could hurt DD
I think its the fact that DD handled characters of more ilk then Benjy during his comic appearances. People dont usually include Ben in the Superman tier. Sure he might get a few haymakers in, but what would that result in? DD will end up killing him.
