Doomsday vs the Fantastis Four

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
^Yep. Afterall, it was you who made the claim that it was a non-feat in this thread. Put up or shut up.

As simple as that, browski.

All this wasted effort to avoid rereading the comic for yourself.

Originally posted by h1a8
Without prep DD wins. With prep Reed can win.

Originally posted by h1a8
Without prep DD wins. With prep Reed can win.

Without prep, DD stomps the FF. With prep, Reed wins (the other members aren't even needed).

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but what WOULD be on the database would be how 'normal' tactics (i.e. blasting him with energy projection from Guy, Booster etc) didn't even phase him, plus that laser cannon Emil developed.

So long range weaponry won't work.

Close range weaponry (i.e. fists) would definitely not work.

In other words, if you're going to fire a long range weapon at him, better make sure its damn powerful. I.e. the Celestial gun - or something similar, at least.

He's not turning up with a standard comic book laser gun, that's for sure.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It'll either be a plot device weapon that would stop Doomsday, or something he already has lying around.

Have they ever tried using magic against him

Originally posted by maxivitopowe
Have they ever tried using magic against him

Not DoS Doomsday.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Even seeing the damage soak data that the League would have accumulated during the DoS incident, Reed would still be more likely to consider Doomsday a Hulk-class threat, rather than Abstract level threat. Reed would be more likely to try to use one of the weapons that had been developed for the Hulk, probably slightly modified but equally unsuccessful. If this were Dr. Doom, in this scenario then it would be different. Vic would go all in and try to humble the beast with some over the top ridiculously overpowered super weapon, but IMO it's Reed's tendency to try to do just enough to squeak by, rather than go all out that would give Doomsday the win.

Nah, Vic would Ovoid Mind Swap.

Unless the plot happens to be "Death of the Fantastic 4".

A third option is that Reed wins, but at the cost of his family.

A fourth is, rather than engaging the beast, he just fires a rocket/kinetic missile at the asteroid and nudges it into the Sun, so it never hits Marvel Earth. It won't take him 24 hours to do the calculations and I'm sure he has the parts lying around the Baxter Building to do so.

So either he wins - by avoiding the fight in the first place (likely, as the Watchtower's databases have him on record as killing the strongest being on DC Earth, and Booster's statement on record that he's 'faster than Flash'😉, or developing the specific weapon needed;

he loses - by being smeared into dust.

stalemate - by going into the Zeno Room.

Originally posted by ODG
Considering that it was your initial statement that Reed's mind was used as a blueprint for remaking reality that I took issue with, I believe the shoe is on the other foot here. But by all means, since you want to invoke the burden of proof game with me over a complete non-issue, explain what exactly you thought Reed did there that relates somehow to him being a universally relevant intelligence.

All this wasted effort to avoid rereading the comic for yourself.

In that case, concession accepted. 👆

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not DoS Doomsday.

Nah, Vic would Ovoid Mind Swap.

And that's the problem with superintelligence. Either the plot calls for him to win, where he'll then develop a weapon that's tuned to the molecular vibrations blah blah blah and it'll work, or they get turned to mush.

A third option is that Reed wins, but at the cost of his family.

A fourth is, rather than engaging the beast, he just fires a rocket/kinetic missile at the asteroid and nudges it into the Sun, so it never hits Marvel Earth. It won't take him 24 hours to do the calculations and I'm sure he has the parts lying around the Baxter Building to do so.

So either he wins - by avoiding the fight in the first place (likely, as the Watchtower's databases have him on record as killing the strongest being on DC Earth, and Booster's statement on record that he's 'faster than Flash'😉, or developing the specific weapon needed;

he loses - by being smeared into dust.

stalemate - by going into the Zeno Room.

Actually magic was used against him, I forgot the voodoo guys name, but it didn't work out very well for him in the end.

I say the Fantastic 4 because Reed is smart enough to know a drawn out battle with a being like Doomsday would cause too much damage and casualties in a populated area. He'd likely have a device set up to make Doomsday intangible and out of phase with the 616 universe so he can't interact with anything (not a bfr). Doomsday would just spend his time punching and swinging through everything and doing zero damage.

Was wondering cos if they did and he adapts past it...
That can't be good for anyone

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I say the Fantastic 4 because Reed is smart enough to know a drawn out battle with a being like Doomsday would cause too much damage and casualties in a populated area. He'd likely have a device set up to make Doomsday intangible and out of phase with the 616 universe so he can't interact with anything (not a bfr). Doomsday would just spend his time punching and swinging through everything and doing zero damage.

That would be an awesome invention 😆

OP says DOS Doomsday, so his HP active adaptations aren't on the table I believe. Putting him out of phase with reality or having him stuck in a teleporter loop should work and wouldn't be BFR. Whatever course of action is taken has to take into consideration protecting the civilians of New York, and a battle won't accomplish that.

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually magic was used against him, I forgot the voodoo guys name, but it didn't work out very well for him in the end.

That was Bloodwynd, and I believe he was actually Martian Manhunter in disguise.

if they didn't have prep the ff would stall using tactics and combined powers to hold dd off. sue shielding the others ben could knock doomsday around. it wouldn't hurt him. but he could be a distraction with sue and Johnny. just to distract long enough for reed to grab what he need from his lab.
with prep it just saves ben sue and Johnny some time and energy and the city millions in property damage.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I see that you don't want to bring the proof to the table.

In that case, concession accepted. 👆

Easiest argument I ever won. I tell you to elaborate what you claim and you wilt utterly. 👆

But wait... instead of assuming you're afraid, I'll simply assume you read the comic and/or searched past deconstructions and realized how foolish your initial assumptions were.

Originally posted by ODG
I see that you didn't even have a position you were even willing to back.

Easiest argument I ever won. I tell you to elaborate what you claim and you wilt utterly. 👆

But wait... instead of assuming you're afraid, I'll simply assume you read the comic and/or searched past deconstructions and realized how foolish your initial assumptions were.

Quanchi.

Lol.

On a side note, did I mention that your concession was accepted in the previous post? Or are you really the semi-literate twit that you're pretending to be in this case?

So 4 meta humans vs a mid herald

A guy who can fly and say "flame on!" and he engulfs himself in fire
A girl who can go invisible and make strong force fields
A super smart stretchy guy
And a walking garden feature

And the super ultra smart stretchy guy has full details on DD
Yeah FF WIN BRUTALLY SEEING AS REED HAS UNSPECIFIED PREP

Hm
Who knows :roll eyes:

Originally posted by LeonBuco666
So 4 meta humans vs a mid herald

A guy who can fly and say "flame on!" and he engulfs himself in fire
A girl who can go invisible and make strong force fields
A super smart stretchy guy
And a walking garden feature

And the super ultra smart stretchy guy has full details on DD
Yeah FF WIN BRUTALLY SEEING AS REED HAS UNSPECIFIED PREP

Hm
Who knows :roll eyes:

Originally posted by ODG
Those two are guns Reed invented that basically one-shot Hulk. Making excuses for how effective Reed created those guns doesn't change that he's created tech that has brought Hulk down. After all, he's created tech that has laid Abstracts low.

A few problems with your argument.

First that Gun Reed created was thanks to ALL the info Reed thanks to his own studies and BANNERS studies, which I am sure they probably were quite extensive, noticing how one of the contributors is the actual HULK and who will be better suited to create a WEAKNESS exploitation device to deal with the HULK than the HULK himself with the smartest man in the world.

Mind that the GUN while it achieved to stop the HULK briefly thanks to what it could be considered a weakness exploitation and it never achieved the effect desired by Reed Richards, so his calculations with the HULK are often wrong.

And if I remember correctly, usually when he gets to defeat low abstracts it is usually based on some sort of tech that he ends up stealing or adapting from someone else.

Originally posted by ODG
So your supposition that Doomsday would present some sort of odd obstacle because Reed never seems to deal with superpowered bricks like he does with other problems is both baseless and contradictory to actual comics.

Reed will not have years of studying DD neither Doomsday is going to hand him a formula to create a "Nega Gun" like Hulk did

Originally posted by ODG
Reed's smarts and ingenuity aren't stymied by Punchy McPunchers.

That is contradictory to what has been shown in comics, I should probably re-read WWH, how many days did he had to prep? and he came up with what? "Sentry light"?

Now, while I am full aware of the capabilities of Reed and how he has defeated low abstracts, taking into the context behind them gives a different point of view.

so a few things with this thread.

I pretty much agree with what PR said, If reed gets his hands on his gear, the FF wins.

but this is not part of the forum rules, neither it seems the OP was thinking about Reed having access to his full gear of his lab, or it is not part of his standard gear for a forum fight.

Now what the OP said is this.

Originally posted by Brockalizer
Fantastic Four

vs

DoS Doomsday

Scenario: The JLA has been monitoring the asteroid containing the body of DoS Doomsday and discover that it is approaching a tear in space that will send it to an alternate universe. After extensive calculation, it is determined that in 24 hours the monster will arrive in New York City on Marvel Earth. Feeling somewhat responsible the JLA, unable to reach the Avengers, contact their friends the Fantastic Four and give them the heads up. They also agree to give Reed full access to Watchtower's computer during that time period so that they may formulate a strategy.

No BFR, no Franklin or Valerie

So this is pretty much HP Doomsday.

The Doomsday in the asteroid is HP Doomsday, the FF are getting all the information from the watchtower regarding DOS DD.

By the time the information gathered by the JLA about DD is pretty much non-existent.

The only information available for Reed to work is that DD fought the league and stalemated Superman, Reed does not knows that Radiant had to destroy 1/5 of Calaton neither does he know that DD has faced a Guardian of the Galaxy or that He survived a tear in space, He does not knows that DD has no internal organs, minimal fluids, healing factor, etc, etc. Reed does has basically NO INFO on this DD, which it actually puts him in disadvantaging position, because he has all that they know about DOS DD, But he is basically facing HP DD.

So yes, this is a pretty tough fight for the FF and most likely the will loose it, unless Reed gets his NON-STANDARD gear, IMO. Though I see how he can come with the teleprotation device too

^ Reed knows everything that the JLA would know about Doomsday. Which probably includes some things you erroneously say they don't. For instance, Superman is the one who discovered firsthand that Doomsday has no internal organs. Unless Superman is keeping secrets from the JLA, there isn't any reason to argue otherwise.

Reed has dealt with Punchy McPunchers on Doomsday's level before. Shocking, I know. You probably thought you had a genuine insight onto Reed's failings and thought it applied wonderfully. That frankly, fell flat on its face. Reed isn't trying to calm Doomsday down peacefully to atone for his crimes against him, the situation in World War Hulk. He's trying to defeat him. I imagine even if Reed were to completely eschew weapons that have taken out Celestials, he might just use a mind-control device like Braniac did or just spatially entrap him between teleporters. Something the JLA would surely know about as well, since they fought a mind-controlled Doomsday and defeated him with such tactics.

This isn't beyond your capacity to imagine. Just something you're not willing to admit openly. Your unwillingness changes nothing. Reed's got sh1t lying around in his closet that have taken out Abstracts. Punchy McPunchers do not offer some special challenge to him. Particularly those that aren't his dear friends.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Irony.

Quanchi.

Lol.

On a side note, did I mention that your concession was accepted in the previous post? Or are you really the semi-literate twit that you're pretending to be in this case?

In fact, any such danger you perceive can be avoided simply by reading the comic or searching for past deconstructions of myths that have promulgated about it. But we all know that instead of actually discussing any issue, you're more than happy to drag out a non-argument for non-argument's sake.

I haven't seen that before. kinda