Doomsday vs the Fantastis Four

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
If you're talking about WWH then his big plan was to calm Hulk down.
He wasn't trying to actually beat Hulk, and quite frankly thinking he can't is being way too happy to ignore everything he's accomplished, ALL of Hulk's feats withstanding.
The Thor clone was just a desperate time.

Reed doesn't have a tier though. He's not overpowering things, he's not punching holes in space. He's just creating inventions. He will lose 100 fights, but that has nothing to do with his mind, same in reverse.
Anyway, Reed whipped out his Anti Galactus suit to one shot CAP who was beating characters like Sentry, Dr Strange, and like 20 other heroes at the same time easily. He had a gun that could fire anti matter that bounced around repeatedly that did what alternate UNs could not when he took down a Celestial. The guy literally pulled out a random gun that closed a black hole that was swallowing Earth, and all he wanted to do was contain Nova at the time. Hell right now the guy is traveling through time and even visited the Big Bang.
What Reed can do, he won't do in comics against his buddies like Hulk. He likes Hulk, he's not going to destroy him.

Well, Beyonder started fighting Doom with Galactus's power and he ultimately lost due to Galactus tech.
Beyonder's curiosity had nothing to do with that one. It just shows the tech Galactus is capable of

Honestly, While I like the FF I think a lot of Reed or Doom feats are bad writing or PIS, this will probably be better discuss, in the character ruling thread.

And the last part about Galactus tech vs PR Beyonder, Honestly there is no amount of tech galactus could use against PR beyonder, if it weren't because of PIS.

That will be actually be a low showing for PR Beyonder.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El

The only information available for Reed to work is that DD fought the league and stalemated Superman, Reed does not knows that Radiant had to destroy 1/5 of Calaton neither does he know that DD has faced a Guardian of the Galaxy or that He survived a tear in space, He does not knows that DD has no internal organs, minimal fluids, healing factor, etc, etc. Reed does has basically NO INFO on this DD, which it actually puts him in disadvantaging position, because he has all that they know about DOS DD, But he is basically facing HP DD.

So yes, this is a pretty tough fight for the FF and most likely the will loose it, unless Reed gets his NON-STANDARD gear, IMO

Didn't only stalemate Supes; killed him. This is the strongest being on DC Earth.

Booster Gold also said he was 'faster than the Flash'. Cross referencing the data with Flash, Reed will think that Doomsday is some kind of lightspeeder.

So you have a threat who is faster and stronger than almost anyone you have ever seen. But crucially, cannot fly.

Why even get into a fight? Just redirect that asteroid away from Marvel Earth. Simples.

Originally posted by ODG
^ Reed knows everything that the JLA would know about Doomsday. Which probably includes some things you erroneously say they don't. For instance, Superman is the one who discovered firsthand that Doomsday has no internal organs. Unless Superman is keeping secrets from the JLA, there isn't any reason to argue otherwise.

Reed has dealt with Punchy McPunchers on Doomsday's level before. Shocking, I know. You probably thought you had a genuine insight onto Reed's failings and thought it applied wonderfully. That frankly, fell flat on its face. Reed isn't trying to calm Doomsday down peacefully to atone for his crimes against him, the situation in World War Hulk. He's trying to defeat him. I imagine even if Reed were to completely eschew weapons that have taken out Celestials, he might just use a mind-control device like Braniac did or just spatially entrap him between teleporters. Something the JLA would surely know about as well, since they fought a mind-controlled Doomsday and defeated him with such tactics.

This isn't beyond your capacity to imagine. Just something you're not willing to admit openly. Your unwillingness changes nothing. Reed's got sh1t lying around in his closet that have taken out Abstracts. Punchy McPunchers do not offer some special challenge to him. Particularly those that aren't his dear friends.

So basically the gun and weakness exploitation argument is not working and Reed is using non standard gear includes Abstract killing weapons.

I understand your argument, Is wrong, but is yours anyway.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So basically the gun and weakness exploitation argument is not working and Reed is using non standard gear includes Abstract killing weapons.

I understand your argument, Is wrong, but is yours anyway.

So you want him to show up and ram Doomsday with the Fantasticar?

I mean, he's the inventor, the guy who builds things. What do you expect he'll do when he gets the Watchtower info and 24 hours of prep?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Didn't only stalemate Supes; killed him. This is the strongest being on DC Earth.

Booster Gold also said he was 'faster than the Flash'. Cross referencing the data with Flash, Reed will think that Doomsday is some kind of lightspeeder.

So you have a threat who is faster and stronger than almost anyone you have ever seen. But crucially, cannot fly.

Why even get into a fight? Just redirect that asteroid away from Marvel Earth. Simples.

Superman and DD stalemated as both died, actually He "lost" as he "died" first.

And yes DD is fast, but not flash fast, well maybe that ere flash fast but not light speed.

And I think the OP wanted to see fight, otherwise why is he pitting DD vs the FF, but yes, I guess it could be a viable option. if it does not count as BFR.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Superman and DD stalemated as both died, actually He "lost" as he "died" first.

And yes DD is fast, but not flash fast, well maybe that ere flash fast but not light speed.

And I think the OP wanted to see fight, otherwise why is he pitting DD vs the FF, but yes, I guess it could be a viable option. if it does not count as BFR.

Well, whether he is Flash fast or not, records show Booster Gold's battle reports referring to him as being faster than Flash. So Reed will have to at least consider he's a fast mofo, and a threat.

He'll also see the insane tanking abilities of Doomsday, where he tanked Booster, Guy, Maxima, Fire, Supes, Bloodwynd etc...so he's not going to show up to a fight with a pissy little laser gun. It's going to be loaded for bear.

Or just all get into the Zeno Room, and Doomsday will never be able to get them.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So you want him to show up and ram Doomsday with the Fantasticar?

I mean, he's the inventor, the guy who builds things. What do you expect he'll do when he gets the Watchtower info and 24 hours of prep?

What ever he is building he is building on outdated info, asteroid DD is not DOS DD is HP DD. meaning he is prone to more miscalculations.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
So basically the gun and weakness exploitation argument is not working and Reed is using non standard gear includes Abstract killing weapons.

I understand your argument, Is wrong, but is yours anyway.

Of course, your backhanded insinuation that Doomsday is somehow beyond the reach of Reed's tech or that somehow Reed cannot use mind-control and teleporters that have subdued and defeated Doomsday like before, is such a solid argument.

But like you said, we all have rights to our opinions. Even wrong ones like your's built on the flimsiest of assumptions and willful ignorance. I also have the right to laugh myself out of this conversation.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Well, whether he is Flash fast or not, records show Booster Gold's battle reports referring to him as being faster than Flash. So Reed will have to at least consider he's a fast mofo, and a threat.

He'll also see the insane tanking abilities of Doomsday, where he tanked Booster, Guy, Maxima, Fire, Supes, Bloodwynd etc...so he's not going to show up to a fight with a pissy little laser gun. It's going to be loaded for bear.

Or just all get into the Zeno Room, and Doomsday will never be able to get them.

Does he has to get DD inside the Baxter Building?

Originally posted by ODG
He'll just use tech that has done things ranging from defeating Hulk to defeating Abstracts. Stuff that he even has lying around for no apparent reason other than because hes already built it and can summon at will easily. On-panel.

Of course, your backhanded insinuation that Doomsday is somehow beyond the reach of Reed's tech or that somehow Reed cannot use mind-control and teleporters that have subdued and defeated Doomsday like before, is such a solid argument.

But like you said, we all have rights to our opinions. Even wrong ones like your's built on the flimsiest of assumptions and willful ignorance. I also have the right to laugh myself out of this conversation.

Cool I acknowledge the teleportation device for you to notice, but is always with the backhanded insults with you. I wonder where did you learned all those social skills of yours..... Are you happy with your life???

Never mind, forget about that question

But yeah Like PR said.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Does he has to get DD inside the Baxter Building?

Nah - from what Reed said, it was pretty easy to make:

Now imagine having that spatial distortion field all around Doomsday. It needn't be in a room, it could be anytime he tries to interact with anything on Marvel U.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Nah - from what Reed said, it was pretty easy to make:

Now imagine having that spatial distortion field all around Doomsday. It needn't be in a room, it could be anytime he tries to interact with anything on Marvel U.

Pretty good trick, but this is a room apparently he calls it "my room", care to share issue #? so I can see what are all its properties and how he came with.

Cool scan BTW.

DD gets raped.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Pretty good trick, but this is a room apparently he calls it "my room", care to share issue #? so I can see what are all its properties and how he came with.

Cool scan BTW.

Mighty Avengers 26

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
Cool I acknowledge the teleportation device for you to notice, but is always with the backhanded insults with you. I wonder where did you learned all those social skills of yours..... Are you happy with your life???

Never mind, forget about that question

But yeah Like PR said.

I imagine you have nothing further to contribute to this conversation than backhanded trolling though. I mean, this coming from the poster who has habitually told me to lighten up when the jabs and barbs are slung around playfully. Irony.

Let me know in advance, if you're going to bump this thread 20 months in the future. I'll set my calendar it.

Originally posted by ODG
I'm insulting your arguments. Because they are weak and flimsy. This is the internet. Toughen up cupcake. When someone tells you you're wrong or your opinions are wrong, they're not telling you you're entire existence is an insult to humanity. I could care less about the person you are or where your current lot in life stands. It's the internet.

I imagine you have nothing further to contribute to this conversation than backhanded trolling though. I mean, this coming from the poster who has habitually told me to lighten up when the jabs and barbs are slung around playfully. Irony.

Let me know in advance, if you're going to bump this thread 20 months in the future. I'll set my calendar it.

lol and you haven't even come up with new insults.

Classic ODG

Take two of this and move along 😄

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
lol and you haven't even come up with new insults.

Classic ODG

Take two of this and move along 😄

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb4/mikeyair/TheHulkwithMidol.jpg

And you clearly won't even discuss the thread topic anymore. I mean, you tell me my opinion is wrong and I am entitled to it. I say the same exact thing about your opinion in response. And all of a sudden, thus stymied, you fall back into the prototypical behavior of trolling me personally about my life outside this forum.

Rich irony for one who used to plead with mods that these conversations aren't anything to get personal over. But this has all happened before, and gods willing, it'll all happen again.

Probably in 16 months or so.

Originally posted by ODG
Not like I have much to work with here. You haven't done anything much dumber than swear off the forum for a year just to come back and bump a dead thread. T'was a highlight of your posting career.

And you clearly won't even discuss the thread topic anymore. I mean, you tell me my opinion is wrong and I am entitled to it. I say the same exact thing about your opinion in response. And all of a sudden, thus stymied, you fall back into the prototypical behavior of trolling me personally about my life outside this forum.

Rich irony for one who used to plead with mods that these conversations aren't anything to get personal over. But this has all happened before, and gods willing, it'll all happen again.

Probably in 16 months or so.

I understand that You don't have a business to run and maybe you have enough free time to discuss this things, I wish I had enough time as yourself to do it, but I don't.

This might be the reason why I "bump threads" because is not like I am the only who does it, after all.

But then again, somehow We are getting into my biography here and the things I do, and you seem to keep a record in a notebook about them.

The irony as you say is rich 😉

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Mighty Avengers 26

It seems that on that arc traveling at speed of sound will cross the room.

I think it will be with in the capabilities of Hulk or DD to defeat this room.

^ Reread the scene. Sound itself can cross the room. Nothing else. Certainly not something that simply moves at the speed of sound or above.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I understand that You don't have a business to run and maybe you have enough free time to discuss this things, I wish I had enough time as yourself to do it, but I don't.

This might be the reason why I "bump threads" because is not like I am the only who does it, after all.

But then again, somehow We are getting into my biography here and the things I do, that you seem to keep a recor in a notebook about them.

The irony as you say is rich 😉

We all know why you bump threads that nobody cares about anymore.

No, we're not getting into your personal life outside of these threads. I was discussing what you do in these threads. There's a difference.

And thus, the only irony comes from you trying to share more about yourself on a personal level when I clearly don't give a sh1t what you do outside of these forums and have said so a number of times. Get over it.