Superman DCNU VS Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. The point is that it was nothing for him to lift, and it is not the maximum measurement of what he could lift. It was the heaviest thing that they could get for him to lift in the comic, and that's why he was able to continuously do it without strain for five days straight. So he obviously has planetary level strength that he could use against the surfer which is the point of the whole thread. To say that you can lift the planet like it's nothing repeatedly yet is only able to topple mountains with his punches is basically saying that Superman's technique is complete and utter ass.

2. I never said pinching 100 pounds equals punching 100 pounds. I said that has to do with the density of the objects. But all I was saying was that if someone can bench 500 pounds then they can obviously punch greater then only 5 pounds worth of pressure. And that's a very small scale, we are talking about Superman and the amount of force it would take to level mountains versus the amount of strength it would take to benchpress the entire planet over and over . That is a pretty large discrepancy in my opinion.

3. Touché

2. wtf does benching 500 lbs. have to do with punching 5 lbs. of pressure, when it comes to benching planets and punching planets? I don't care if you think there's a disparity. The fact is, people can punch with much greater measurable psi then they can bench. It still doesn't mean that Mike Tyson is going to bust a 1,000 lb. pumpkin.

3. Bleh, French.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not sure you understand me correctly..? Just because Superman can sit there for days on end and bench press earth-equivalent weight, doesn't necessarily mean his individual punches pack the same amount of destructive force behind them.

Example: If I can bench press 300 pounds, it doesn't mean I can walk up to a 300 pound man and blow him apart with a punch.

Originally posted by ODG
1. If this is the conclusion that you drew from the comic, I can't help you.

2. wtf does benching 500 lbs. have to do with punching 5 lbs. of pressure, when it comes to benching planets and punching planets? I don't care if you think there's a disparity. The fact is, people can punch with much greater measurable psi then they can bench. It still doesn't mean that Mike Tyson is going to bust a 1,000 lb. pumpkin.

3. Bleh, French. Why dis fly over so many people's heads??????

1. What part of what I said was wrong?

2. Its not what I think, it's what everybody knows because it's common sense. Your analogy is a faulty strawman. You're comparing Mike Tyson's human flesh to Superman's invulnerable body. If Mike Tyson had an invulnerable body and could also fly then yes he could bust a 1000 pound pumpkin.

3. Strategically charging in the opposite direction since Waterloo.

Lifting weights helps with punching mostly because it increases your mass

Which isn't the most helpful with comics. Something like squats will help with punching due to putting more energy and speed into the punch by properly using your legs (and we all know comic characters don't know how to punch properly), but bench pressing is nigh useless

Originally posted by Odekahn
1. What part of what I said was wrong?

2. Its not what I think, it's what everybody knows because it's common sense. Your analogy is a faulty strawman. You're comparing Mike Tyson's human flesh to Superman's invulnerable body. If Mike Tyson had an invulnerable body and could also fly then yes he could bust a 1000 pound pumpkin.

3. Strategically charging in the opposite direction since Waterloo.

2. I agree Superman could bust a 1000 lb. pumpkin. And a mountain. Not yet a planet though.

3. The French deserve only one response:

Hulk is the only exception

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not sure you understand me correctly..? Just because Superman can sit there for days on end and bench press earth-equivalent weight, doesn't necessarily mean his individual punches pack the same amount of destructive force behind them.

Example: If I can bench press 300 pounds, it doesn't mean I can walk up to a 300 pound man and blow him apart with a punch.

No you're absolutely right. They may not pack the same force. But, to minimize them to such a great level and assuming it as max goes against logic. The difference between a mountain in the entire planet is astronomical. It would be like saying I could lift 1000 pounds but couldn't hit worth an ounce of pressure.

All I meant is that while the article is right about lifting heavy weights may not increase your punching power, due to heavier weights tending to bulk your muscles, which can slow you down (You want lean muscle). Also, it's right in that technique is just as important. I just think the point of that article vs the point with the Superman comic is moot.

Originally posted by Odekahn
No you're absolutely right. They may not pack the same force. But, to minimize them to such a great level and assuming it as max goes against logic. The difference between a mountain in the entire planet is astronomical. It would be like saying I could lift 1000 pounds but couldn't hit worth an ounce of pressure.

All I meant is that while the article is right about lifting heavy weights may not increase your punching power, due to heavier weights tending to bulk your muscles, which can slow you down (You want lean muscle). Also, it's right in that technique is just as important. I just think the point of that article vs the point with the Superman comic is moot.

While I disagree that mountain-busting is Superman's striking-cap, I completely agree that pressing planet weight doesn't make him a one-shot planet-buster by default.

So we all agree that Superman is a planet buster, like most heralds even if he didn't had the opportunity to bust one. And the mountain tumbling isn't his cap.

Originally posted by Galan007
The article is relevant in delivering the message that pressing power=/=striking power. The analogy I used is also quite relevant-- you cannot destroy an object[with a punch] that weighs what you can press.

While I disagree that mountain-busting is Superman's striking-cap, I completely agree that pressing planet weight doesn't make him a one-shot planet-buster by default.

Firstly, thank you for not taking what I said in the wrong way. I agree that it isn't equal to striking power, here are my points...

The gap between the two is far too large to ignore for the purposes of the description we are trying to label.

Superman is much stronger than being able to lift the planet, as he was able to do it effortlessly and repeatedly. It wasn't a max.

To limit someone THAT strong to only being able to topple mountains is like a guy who can bench 500 pounds but can't hit worth an ounce, and that's a kind analogy. It just doesn't make sense.

And punching, is a type of push. You are pushing your fist through an opponent.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we all agree that Superman is a planet buster, like most heralds even if he didn't had the opportunity to bust one. And the mountain tumbling isn't his cap.

I agree!

Originally posted by Odekahn
And punching, is a type of push. You are pushing your fist through an opponent.

no

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we all agree that Superman is a planet buster, like most heralds even if he didn't had the opportunity to bust one. And the mountain tumbling isn't his cap.

Lol, at least 8 people in this thread disagrees with you.

Carry on.

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
...

no

Yes, that's the principle behind board breaking.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol, at least 8 people in this thread disagrees with you.

Carry on.

The one who matter agree 😉.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we all agree that Superman is a planet buster, like most heralds even if he didn't had the opportunity to bust one. And the mountain tumbling isn't his cap.

We agree that the feat in question showed "mountain toppling" level punches.

Originally posted by Odekahn
Yes, that's the principle behind board breaking.

Anyway, I wonder how much this weighs?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/DPTU_883_025.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/DPTU_883_029.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/DPTU_883_031.jpg

Clearly Surfer could punch a planet in half

Originally posted by ODG
1. That you think Superman's punches can't possibly only be mountain busting if he can bench planets. So, everything basically.

2. I agree Superman could bust a 1000 lb. pumpkin. And a mountain. Not yet a planet though.

3. The French deserve only one response:

1. So he is at least in the upper category of planetary strength when it comes to bench pressing, but in a category only a fraction of that when it comes to punching. This is what you are saying, correct?

2. Do you admit that the two feats are contradictory?

3. 👆

Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Pushing a board in half is the principle?

Anyway, I wonder how much this weighs?
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/DPTU_883_025.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/DPTU_883_029.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Surfer/DPTU_883_031.jpg

Clearly Surfer could punch a planet in half

You use the same muscles punching and pushing, the difference is technique.

And yes you aim behind the target so that you have to push through the target in order to get to where you were originally aiming, thus destroying the target in the process. Or in the case of boards, breaking them.

Wait... Some people here really don't think that Superman in the DCNU is planet busting level? Like, I'm not talking planet on chains towing level, but just, pummelling a planet in to dust.

Really?

And no, I'm not asking you, Carter.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait... Some people here really don't think that Superman in the DCNU is planet busting level? Like, I'm not talking planet on chains towing level, but just, pummelling a planet in to dust.

Really?

And no, I'm not asking you, Carter.

I really want to answer this question. I think it is messed up that you wont let me give my opinion with this question.