Originally posted by OdekahnSo, it's the same, but it's in no way the same at all is what you're saying?
You use the same muscles punching and pushing, the difference is technique.And yes you aim behind the target so that you have to push through the target in order to get to where you were originally aiming, thus destroying the target in the process. Or in the case of boards, breaking them.
And you don't push through boards, go start pushing a board you can break and see how well that works. The "pushing" refers to carrying through with your punch as opposed to pulling back as soon as you land it. It's not hit it, and then start pushing. It's using your momentum to keep moving
It's speed, mass, and power. Pushing is basically mass and power.
Also, after you push this board in half, start punching boards in half. Punch a lot too, and don't hold back. Even on boards you don't think you can break. Just go punch a 4 foot 2 by 6 as hard as you can right now
Originally posted by carver9
I really want to answer this question. I think it is messed up that you wont let me give my opinion with this question.
Because we all know what your answer will be.
That, and I honestly don't put much stock in your opinion regarding Superman, considering how much hate you have towards the character. And before you talk about how you don't hate him, please, just stop and spare me.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Like most elite top tiers, I believe that he is....however I don't think a feat which consists of "mountain toppling" punches is proof.
Interpretations aside, I did say earlier that it takes the totality of his feats to look at and evaluate. no one feat will prove it.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Like most elite top tiers, I believe that he is....however I don't think a feat which consists of "mountain toppling" punches is proof.
No one is saying that feat is what makes him a planet buster. Other people are saying that - that limits him from actually being a planet buster.
The bench pressing feat speaks for itself.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Wait... Some people here really don't think that Superman in the DCNU is planet busting level? Like, I'm not talking planet on chains towing level, but just, pummelling a planet in to dust.Really?
And no, I'm not asking you, Carter.
No evidence at the moment exists to support him being able to destroy a planet with his fists in a handful of blows and so on.
I though the bench pressing Earth feat counted but that writer considers Superman at around mountain topping level in terms of striking power.
I've seen another writer describe Superman as capable of shattering mountains but I don't think I've seen a writer describe his blows as planet shattering yet.
I have no problem at putting Superman at planet shattering level personally, but some people require harder evidence.
Originally posted by Odekahn1. Strawman is made of straw.
1. So he is at least in the upper category of planetary strength when it comes to bench pressing, but in a category only a fraction of that when it comes to punching. This is what you are saying, correct?2. Do you admit that the two feats are contradictory?
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2. When Superman punches a 1,000 lb. pumpkin, that would not contradict him letting loose mountain toppling punches.
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No evidence at the moment exists to support him being able to destroy a planet with his fists in a handful of blows and so on.I though the bench pressing Earth feat counted but that writer considers Superman at around mountain topping level in terms of striking power.
I've seen another writer describe Superman as capable of shattering mountains but I don't think I've seen a writer describe his blows as planet shattering yet.
I have no problem at putting Superman at planet shattering level personally, but some people require harder evidence.
Honestly I don't agree, but all right.
I also noticed that there was a typo in my post. mmm
Originally posted by Odekahn
No one is saying that feat is what makes him a planet buster. Other people are saying that - that limits him from actually being a planet buster.The bench pressing feat speaks for itself.
Then the side that believes he's a planet buster should actually try and post feats that show him to be on that level, rather than spend pages arguing about a feat that even they admit doesn't support their stance.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
So, it's the same, but it's in no way the same at all is what you're saying?And you don't push through boards, go start pushing a board you can break and see how well that works.
carrying through with your punch as opposed to pulling back as soon as you land it. It's not hit it, and then start pushing. It's using your momentum to keep moving
It's speed, mass, and power. Pushing is basically mass and power.Also, after you push this board in half, start punching boards in half. Punch a lot too, and don't hold back. Even on boards you don't think you can break. Just go punch a 4 foot 2 by 6 as hard as you can right now
So let me ask you a question, what happens at the end if a punch as you connect with the target? If you are going to be driving through the target, like you should be, then you are pushing through it. You are using the same muscles and going the same direction. That is the point of reference I am using. It is a driving force, label it whatever you want but the fact is that the stronger you are the harder you are going to be able to punch.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that strength is everything. But it is a lot when talking about punching power.
"carrying through with your punch as opposed to pulling back as soon as you land it. It's not hit it, and then start pushing. It's using your momentum to keep moving"
This is exactly what I'm saying....
Originally posted by Odekahn
No one is saying that feat is what makes him a planet buster. Other people are saying that - that limits him from actually being a planet buster.The bench pressing feat speaks for itself.
Originally posted by ODG
1. Strawman is made of straw.2. When Superman punches a 1,000 lb. pumpkin, that would not contradict him letting loose mountain toppling punches.
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1. What about what I said is I correct? I'm trying to understand if that's what you are saying? It was me asking a question, not trying to make a statement.
2. Does Superman easily bench pressing a planet contradict the feat of his punching power only being able to topple mountains? Does that make logical sense to you how that could really exist?
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Originally posted by vince_slice
I'm pretty sure you're the one who originally claimed that bench pressing the planet is proof he can destroy the planet with a punch.
No. Because the math doesn't work out on the size of him in relation to how big The earth is. The small piece of the land that he punched would just fall apart and the rest would still be there. So that's only a descriptive to let us know how hard he's going to be hitting the silver surfer in this fight.
Originally posted by OdekahnYou don't just start pushing it that's for sure.
So let me ask you a question, what happens at the end if a punch as you connect with the target? If you are going to be driving through the target, like you should be, then you are pushing through it. You are using the same muscles and going the same direction. That is the point of reference I am using. It is a driving force, label it whatever you want but the fact is that the stronger you are the harder you are going to be able to punch.Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that strength is everything. But it is a lot when talking about punching power.
"carrying through with your punch as opposed to pulling back as soon as you land it. It's not hit it, and then start pushing. It's using your momentum to keep moving"
This is exactly what I'm saying....
Didn't Galan literally just prove you wrong about strength and punching power going hand in hand?
No it isn't. You're basically saying pushing something is interchangeable with punching because any lengths to go to for Superman destroying a planet isn't far enough.
Superman can push a planet. Angry Superman punching H'el into a planet is capable of sending tremors around the world, yet fail to cause any significant damage. As of right now, Superman cannot destroy a planet. Canon.
Originally posted by Odekahn
No. Because the math doesn't work out on the size of him in relation to how big The earth is. The piece of the planet that he punched would just fall apart and the rest would still be there. It would just crumble. So that's only a descriptive to let us know how hard he's going to be hitting the silver surfer in this fight.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Superman benched the weight of the Earth for 5 days without rest or sunlight.
Originally posted by vince_slice
So you think that's proof that he could destroy a planet with a punch?
Originally posted by Odekahn
Yes.You don't???
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then the side that believes he's a planet buster should actually try and post feats that show him to be on that level, rather than spend pages arguing about a feat that even they admit doesn't support their stance.
How does it not support "their stance"? It's common sense. He has planetary strength AT THE LEAST, and you are going to say that he can only punch hard enough to crumple a couple little specs on the planet that he so effortlessly lifted?
That's like saying someone can sprint but they can't walk because there's no feats of them doing so.
Originally posted by Odekahn
How does it not support "their stance"? It's common sense. He has planetary strength AT THE LEAST, and you are going to say that he can only punch hard enough to crumple a couple little specs on the planet that he so effortlessly lifted?That's like saying someone can sprint but they can't walk because there's no feats of them doing so.
So now you're saying that the "mountain toppling" feat does in fact support the Superman can destroy a planet stance?
Originally posted by vince_slice
So what happened? Did you change your mind? You did say this:
Context...
Within a comic, if there is a spot on the world, where if hit, it would be destroyed, and it took the entire weight of the earth to activate it, Superman could do it. That's what it meant, it's a category label, PLANET BUSTER, it doesn't mean that if he punched the ground the world would explode. Come on you guys, lol.