Bills vs. DBGT...

Alright, Bills may have the title of 'most powerful being in Z'(aside from Whis, of course), but would he be able to boast the same in GT..?

Match 1: Bills vs. Final Form Rildo
Match 2: Bills vs. SSJ3 kid Goku
Match 3: Bills vs. SSJ2 Baby-Vegeta
Match 4: Bills vs. SSJ4 Goku
Match 5: Bills vs. Golden Oozaru Baby-Vegeta
Match 6: Bills vs. Super 17
Match 7: Bills vs. Omega Shenron
Match 8: Bills vs. SSJ4 Gogeta

Bills is fully recovered after each match. Fights take place on the planet M-2.

How far does he get?

Just for a brief overview of the ridiculousness of GT multipliers...

Kid Goku stated that base form Rildo was "even more powerful than Majin Buu"(he was likely referring to Kid Buu, as he specifically used the title "Majin"😉, before going on to stalemate Rildo in his base form. Base Goku also trounced both Cell AND Frieza with an effortless degree of ease-- they were literally nothing in comparison.
ie. base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu>>>>Cell>>>>Frieza.

After transforming into a SSJ, Rildo stated that Goku's power "increased a hundred fold."
ie. SSJ Goku 100x>base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu.

If the base-to-SSJ multiplier in GT = 100x, I have no idea how effing vast the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers may have been(double what they were in Z, maybe..?) What we do know is that SSJ2 Baby-Vegeta was thoroughly trouncing SSJ3 Goku-- yet after reaching SSJ4, Goku was able to tool Baby with lulz-worthy ease.
ie. SSJ4 Goku>>>SSJ2 Baby-Vegeta>>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Goku>SSJ Goku 100x>base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu>>>>Cell>>>>Frieza.

Then you have Omega Shenron, who made both SSJ4 Goku & SSJ4 Vegeta(who were teaming up) look like weak feebs... And finally there is the ultimate being in GT: SSJ4 Gogeta, who toyed with Omega Shenron like he was a no-name piece of fodder.
ie. SSJ4 Gogeta>>>>>>Omega Shenron>>>>>SSJ4 Goku+SSJ4 Vegeta>>>SSJ2 Baby-Vegeta>>SSJ3 Goku>SSJ2 Goku>SSJ Goku 100x>base Goku~base Rildo>Majin Buu>>>>Cell>>>>Frieza.

Food for thought.

Hm, Base Kid Gokou is as strong as SSJ3 Gokou in BOG, and if the multipliers for the then SSJ3 Kid Gokou is about 3,200x more powerful than SSJ3 Gokou in BoG. Yea I don't see SSJG mode being that much more powerful than SSJ3 Gokou. But, if SSJ is the only one that gets the double power up, then SSJ3 Kid Gokou is 800x more powerful...Bills MAY be able to contend.

Originally posted by Kento
Hm, Base Kid Gokou is as strong as SSJ3 Gokou in BOG, and if the multipliers for the then SSJ3 Kid Gokou is about 3,200x more powerful than SSJ3 Gokou in BoG. Yea I don't see SSJG mode being that much more powerful than SSJ3 Gokou. But, if SSJ is the only one that gets the double power up, then SSJ3 Kid Gokou is 800x more powerful...Bills MAY be able to contend.

However, we know the SSJ4 multiplier was, in all likelihood, astronomically greater than the other transformation-multipliers. After all, it was powerful enough to override a wish from the Black Star Dragon, and turn Goku into an adult for as long as he was able to stay transformed.

Somehow, people have come up with ssj4 being 10x more powerful. Which REALLY doesn't fit in the scheme of things. But GT doesn't fit anyway so it doesn't even matter. SSJ4 Gokou is way too powerful for Bills anyway you scale it. So if by some miracle he can go past Bebi Vegeta, he doesn't get any farther.

Has anyone in here seen the Bill movie? He took Vegeta out with his finger nail. His showing against Super Saiyan 3 Goku was amazing as well. Don't see how anyone here beats him.

Picking the guy who can casually bust moons by flying through them without a drop in speed. 👆

Originally posted by carver9
Has anyone in here seen the Bill movie? He took Vegeta out with his finger nail. His showing against Super Saiyan 3 Goku was amazing as well. Don't see how anyone here beats him.

When GT Goku went SSJ, his power increased 100 fold according to Rildo. This means SSJ GT Goku was roughly 100x more powerful that SSJ3 Z Goku.

Even if we assume the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers were the same in GT as they were in Z(in all likelihood, they were much greater) then it puts SSJ2 GT Goku at 200x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and SSJ3 GT Goku at 800x> SSJ3 Z Goku.

If we then use the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of 10x a SSJ3, then it puts SSJ4 Goku at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and 3,200,000x> than base-level Z Goku.

🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
According to Goku's assessment in GT that base Rildo>Majin Buu, and the fact that Goku went on to stalemate Rildo as a base Saiyan, we know base-level GT Goku~SSJ3 Z Goku. This also means base-level GT Goku is at least [b]400x> base-level Z Goku(in Z, a SSJ3 is 400x> base.)

When GT Goku went SSJ, his power increased 100 fold according to Rildo. This means SSJ GT Goku was roughly 100x more powerful that SSJ3 Z Goku.

Even if we assume the SSJ2-SSJ3 multipliers were the same in GT as they were in Z(in all likelihood, they were much greater) then it puts SSJ2 GT Goku at 200x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and SSJ3 GT Goku at 800x> SSJ3 Z Goku.

If we then use the commonly accepted SSJ4 multiplier of 10x a SSJ3, then it puts SSJ4 Goku at 8,000x> SSJ3 Z Goku, and 3,200,000x> than base-level Z Goku.

🙂 [/B]

In other words you're wrong....

Originally posted by carver9
Has anyone in here seen the Bill movie? He took Vegeta out with his finger nail. His showing against Super Saiyan 3 Goku was amazing as well. Don't see how anyone here beats him.

My head hurts trying to make sense of GT's ridiculousness.

LoL Carver.

Might as well add Bills owning Piccolo with chopsticks crylaugh

The thing is, imagine how powerful Gokou would have been had he stayed adult. He was weakened by being turned into a kid. And was still > Buu.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Picking the guy who can casually bust moons by flying through them without a drop in speed. 👆

SSJ4 struggled to lift half a city for comparison.

Base GT!Goku > Buu > Cell+Freeza > Base BoG!Goku (from Bills, Goku and King Kai admitting his base is still weaker than Freeza). As said above GT!Goku has at the very least a 400x PL increase over BoG!Goku. And perhaps it was PSI when Vegeta could draw blood where SS3 Goku could not, still it could shows that you just need to be a certain notch above Goku to harm Bills. And I highly doubt being pissed increases his PL by 400 times.

With raw powerscaling like this I say Bills struggles with SS3 Goku. Maybe. Bills wont be taking Baby!Vegeta down, nope.

Though thats raw powerscaling. With actual feats its a different story.

Originally posted by AuraAngel
Picking the guy who can casually bust moons by flying through them without a drop in speed. 👆

Why are people powerscaling a canon source from a noncanon source?

It would be like saying that because Old Man Logan's Wolverine killed Hulk, 616 Wolverine kills 616 Hulk.

Because Z is still canon to GT.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why are people powerscaling a canon source from a noncanon source?

It would be like saying that because Old Man Logan's Wolverine killed Hulk, 616 Wolverine kills 616 Hulk.

In terms of events hey man sure.

But in terms of powerscaling and all that gay shit? Not necessarily.

There are strength feats in Z better than the ones in GT for example.

There isn't very many big strength feats anyway.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Weren't they the size of King Kai's planet?

Were they?

I assume moons are the size of our moon for simplicity. O: