Darth Vader vs. Darth Malgus

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And, really, neither does Zallow.

Dude fodderised the strongest Sith Warriors in the Empire and owned Adraas. He was a premier Jedi Master at the time, while Shryne was some washed up loser.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Think of Malgus decades before Deceived. You'd think he would? I don't.

And Vader would annihilate Zallow.

You mean, at the time when he owned Darach? Yeah, I still think he would.

Eh, I wouldn't quite say he's annihilate him. Remember that Malgus did gain a huge boost after fighting Zallow and it was 13 years until TOR, so he has even more time to grow after that.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yes. So what?

So I don't find it take impressive.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Arguable.

Not really.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yes, everyone know he's skilled, Jesus Christ. Sidious' claim doesn't make him more skilled than Vader nor Obi-Wan.

Did I say it did? No. He is at least close to them though.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Eh, alright, but she, like Zallow, lack any specific skill feats.

Not really. She's run through Sith Warrior like they're fodder and beaten Dark Council members.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that doesn't put him above Vader.

Again, I didn't say it does. I'm merely responding to your claim that 'Malgus has nothing on Vader.' Do you still think that's accurate?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I never said it was ''noticeable'', but we learn from Deceived that Malgus' strength was countered by some Jedi's superior speed.

Yeah and he still beat her both times they fought. And, again, he improved dramatically afterwards.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
He didn't own the Jedi through sheer telekinesis and all the scans I posted happened before the events of RotJ anyway, so the boost in power goes for Vader too.

He notes that he can kill the Jedi 'in a dozen of ways, but he needed the satisfaction of a lightsaber kill.' So you see he could have overwhelmed him with TK as he did with lightning. He still overpowered him with the Force at any rate.

I though Vader only improved his skill? Besides, his improvement in power is non-specific whereas we can see just how large it is in Deceived.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Malgus' one win out of ten might be the occasion when he luckily hits Vader with lightning, then. 😉

Aha aha aha no. 😐

Malgus is Vader's equal. If not superior due to his lightning.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Also, I would like to bring up that Zannah's blocked Bane's lightning multiple times, and while Vader is unquestionably more powerful than Zannah, Bane's lightning matches that of Malgus, so again, I don't see why Vader shouldn't be able to block it.

Because Zannah actually demonstrated that she can block Bane's lightning.

Vader has not demonstrated blocking any lightning. Its pure speculation to think that he can.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No. I don't think Vader's going to straight up punk Malgus.

I meant that you said you were skeptical about Vader having nothing on Malgus, when we're talking about Malgus having nothing on Vader. You got them switched up when you wrote it, lol.

Obviously I agree though.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As Intrepid has noted, no one's denying that Malgus is skilled in battle. But if you take the quote literally with its implications, then we'd have to put Malgus above Sidious and Vitiate as well.

And as I said that doesn't really apply to them since neither has fought in a battle. I agree though that it doesn't like, put him above everyone. Or everyone who's ever fought in a war. I'm just saying that its an incredibly impressive claim. That he's done things that no-one else has ever replicated in battle. Its speaks highly of his abilities and shows that, yes, he is among the very best in the mythos. Definitely up there with Dooku, Windu, Vader, Caedus and Revan etc etc.

I mean, you agree that its extremely impressive, right? Thats all I'm saying after all. It just sounds like you're trying to wave it off.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
As for the rest is concerned, you've established that Malgus is capable of overwhelming Jedi's defenses. Overwhelming Vader's defenses is another matter entirely.

And when Vader's defenses are proven to be greater than those Jedi get back to me. Until then he has nothing but supposition.

As I remeber, Malgus had a lot of problems against Aryn Leneer. Also, it looks like he was equal or just a bit better then Zallow.
Zallow and Leneer were, I guess, under the league of people like Plo Koon, Kit Fisto or Cin Drallig.

We can't forget, that times of Clone Wars (and short before) were called "Jedi Prime Era" and "Golden Age of the Jedi".
It's clear, that "random" battlemasters and jedi masters (like Drallig, Bulq, Fisto) from CW era were more powerful then those from TOR era (like Zallow, Darach etc).

So, Vader by far.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Dude fodderised the strongest Sith Warriors in the Empire and owned Adraas. He was a premier Jedi Master at the time, while Shryne was some washed up loser.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You mean, at the time when he owned Darach? Yeah, I still think he would.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Eh, I wouldn't quite say he's annihilate him. Remember that Malgus did gain a huge boost after fighting Zallow and it was 13 years until TOR, so he has even more time to grow after that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
So I don't find it take impressive.

Fighting someone of RotS Obi-Wan's caliber as an equal swordsman is not impressive from Vader's point of view?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Did I say it did? No. He is at least close to them though.

You've been arguing that Malgus is close to Vader as a swordsman? We could've agreed that they're fairly close pages ago.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. She's run through Sith Warrior like they're fodder

Originally posted by Nephthys
and beaten Dark Council members.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, I didn't say it does. I'm merely responding to your claim that 'Malgus has nothing on Vader.' Do you still think that's accurate?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah and he still beat her both times they fought. And, again, he improved dramatically afterwards.

Either way, it's of no matter since you've agree

Originally posted by Nephthys
He notes that he can kill the Jedi 'in a dozen of ways, but he needed the satisfaction of a lightsaber kill.' So you see he could have overwhelmed him with TK as he did with lightning. He still overpowered him with the Force at any rate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I though Vader only improved his skill?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Besides, his improvement in power is non-specific whereas we can see just how large it is in Deceived.

Aha aha aha no. 😐

Originally posted by Nephthys
Malgus is Vader's equal. If not superior due to his lightning.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Because Zannah actually demonstrated that she can block Bane's lightning.

Vader has not demonstrated blocking any lightning. Its pure speculation to think that he can.

Originally posted by Zett
As I remeber, Malgus had a lot of problems against Aryn Leneer. Also, it looks like he was equal or just a bit better then Zallow.
Zallow and Leneer were, I guess, under the league of people like Plo Koon, Kit Fisto or Cin Drallig.

We can't forget, that times of Clone Wars (and short before) were called "Jedi Prime Era" and "Golden Age of the Jedi".
It's clear, that "random" battlemasters and jedi masters (like Drallig, Bulq, Fisto) from CW era were more powerful then those from TOR era (like Zallow, Darach etc).

So, Vader by far.

Yeah and the TOR era was the "Jedi Renaissance". 🙄

Titles like that mean nothing about actual individual skill imo. Aryn and Zallow had survived in a war against actual lightsabers combatants after all, so I don't see why we should assume they're inferior in that aspect against people fighting against droids.

Intrepid
So did that soldier.

[Neph]THAT ONLY PROVES HOW AWESOME JACE MALCOM IS LAWL NOT HOW LOSERISH THOSE SITH ARE[/Neph]

Intrepid
Even AotC Obi-Wan could

[Neph]THAT ONLY PROVES HOW LOSERISH DOOKU IS LAWL NOT HOW AWESOME OBI-WAN IS[/Neph]

DO YOU SEE HOW I'VE PERFECTED TOR WANK IN CONJUNCTION WITH S_W_LEGEND? IT HAS BEEN A DELICATE PROCESS BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS, THE CULMINATION OF OUR YEARS OF HARD WORK AND EFFORT, WAS WELL WORTH IT. BEHOLD OUR SUCCESS

TEMPEST ANGRY.
TEMPEST LASH OUT.
TEMPEST WORDS.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Adraas doesn't impress me, and that random soldier fodderised Sith Warriors as well. Meanwhile, Shryne is superior to Jedi called ''very skilled''. They're probably equal.

That "random soldier" was the Leader of Havoc Squad. In fact he was the founder, since he was so damn good they created a squad for him of the absolute best troops in the Republic.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
How long is that before the book?

28 years. 😐

Between 3,681 BBY and 3,653 BBY, with the invasion of Korriban in the Return trailer being the opening conflict and Deceived showing the ending of it. Malgus fought in both.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Zallow is just as random as Shryne dude. He's done nothing that makes me think he wouldn't get crushed by Vader.

He isn't just as random as Shryne though.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
???

Fighting someone of RotS Obi-Wan's caliber as an equal swordsman is not impressive from Vader's point of view?

The only reason you're say he was RotS Kenobi level is because he fought Vader equally. I don't know what other "logical chain improvements" you could be using considering the only other thing Lukes done in lightsabers at that point is get motherfvcking SCHOOLED by Celeste Morne.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yeah really.

How can Obi-Wan stand up to someone who was tossing around people like the HoT, Baresen'thor, Nox or Wrath? Malgus owned a Jedi who collapsed two buildings, a feat above any of Kenobi. I see no reason he wouldn't own Kenobi too.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
😂

You've been arguing that Malgus is close to Vader as a swordsman? We could've agreed that they're fairly close pages ago.

At least, yes. Ok cool.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So did that soldier.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
When/who?

The Battle of Rhem Var. Darth Mehkis.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Given that I meant there is no category in which Malgus has an advantage, yes, I'd say he'd have nothing on Vader.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And again, Vader's skill feats happening decades before his prime seems to be a fact you're forgetting.

Either way, it's of no matter since you've agree

I don't really see what that has to do with Malgus vs Aryn but ok.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And he also notes how he realizes that the Jedi was ''baiting him'' and ''feigning weakness''. Hardly translates into Malgus being able to Force pwn the Jedi.

Except that he....... does Force pwn the Jedi. 😬

Originally posted by Intrepid37
No, Vader muses that he was more powerful than ever in RotJ.

Ok.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
What do you mean?

Aha aha aha no. 😐

I mean that he goes from fighting Aryn equally and her being able to block his lightning in midair to him almost casually owning her.

I'm sorry.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Bullshit.

INTREPID CONFUSED.
INTREPID LASH OUT.
INTREPID WORDS.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And it'd be purely ignorant and stupid to say he wouldn't be able to. Even AotC Obi-Wan could, and he's not even Fisto's equal.

Yes, because obviously if Obi-Wan can block Dookus lightning, we can assume that anyone can block anyones lightning. That are made sense.

Go sit in the corner. sneer

Originally posted by The_Tempest
[Neph]THAT ONLY PROVES HOW AWESOME JACE MALCOM IS LAWL NOT HOW LOSERISH THOSE SITH ARE[/Neph]

[Neph]THAT ONLY PROVES HOW LOSERISH DOOKU IS LAWL NOT HOW AWESOME OBI-WAN IS[/Neph]

DO YOU SEE HOW I'VE PERFECTED TOR WANK IN CONJUNCTION WITH S_W_LEGEND? IT HAS BEEN A DELICATE PROCESS BUT I BELIEVE THAT THIS, THE CULMINATION OF OUR YEARS OF HARD WORK AND EFFORT, WAS WELL WORTH IT. BEHOLD OUR SUCCESS

You cannot hope to beat me in TOR wank. When it comes to TOR wank, I am simply the best there is.

....And I called it. My intimate knowledge of Neph is extraordinary. He dances like a puppet on my marionette.

To be honest I think the PT era is wanked a hell of a lot more than the TOR era. At least I don't go around claiming people are superior simply for being from it or argue that the people of that era are the greatest in the entire mythos.

Originally posted by Nephthys
To be honest I think the PT era is wanked a hell of a lot more than the TOR era. At least I don't go around claiming people are superior simply for being from it or argue that the people of that era are the greatest in the entire mythos.

Puppets do not type, Puppet. uhuh

Any criticism levied against the PT wank is undermined by the fact that all I need do is point to S_W_LeGenD and I win by default.

Once he is exiled to the far corners of the interwebz, you may have a point. Until then, he is a giant smear of dumbass on your worldview window.

Neph, I don't get what you're arguing. Malgus>Vader, Vader=Malgus, Vader>Malgus...?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Neph, I don't get what you're arguing. Malgus>Vader, Vader=Malgus, Vader>Malgus...?

It depends on how much you piss him off.

For my part, I voted that Vader has an edge. I don't see him clobbering Malgus, but I think he has an edge.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Puppets do not type, Puppet. uhuh

Any criticism levied against the PT wank is undermined by the fact that all I need do is point to S_W_LeGenD and I win by default.

Once he is exiled to the far corners of the interwebz, you may have a point. Until then, he is a giant smear of dumbass on your worldview window.

I see you've gotten to the stage where you stop attempting to challenge me and started up with the childish mockery in order to appear to save face.

Good. Seeing you prance around like the court jester is so much fun.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
It depends on how much you piss him off.

For my part, I voted that Vader has an edge. I don't see him clobbering Malgus, but I think he has an edge.

Yes.

lol

Originally posted by Nephthys
I see you've gotten to the stage where you stop attempting to challenge me and started up with the childish mockery in order to appear to save face.

I see you flee when I throw S_W_LeGenD in your face after you voluntarily discuss wank.

Being shackled to the village idiot must suck. I will gladly flog you for your association.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Good. Seeing you prance around like the court jester is so much fun.

My simile with puppets and dancing was better.

No it wasn't, because a marionette is a puppet, so you just said I'm a puppet dancing on your puppet. Which is nonsensical and strikes me as somewhat sordid.