Darth Vader vs. Darth Malgus

Originally posted by The_Tempest
So you agree that Vader would pwn Kun with TK and that Fisto would pwn Vitiate?

Excellent.

I'd say that Kun hasn't shown anything to suggest he can challenge Vaders TK and that Vitiate hasn't shown anything suggesting he'd beat Fisto in a lightsaber fight.

I wouldn't suggest either would get pwned though since they have other strengths. Vader can hit Kun with TK but Kun can hit back with amulet blasts. Vitiate is powerful enough that Fisto would never get close to him in the first place.

Originally posted by Nephthys

Not all lightning is as powerful as Dooku's. Malgus' is above Dooku's. Plus as Tempest said its likely Dooku wasn't really trying.

Finally, that isn't obvious. Vader hasn't shown that he can. Perhaps Obi-Wan is better than him in that regard.

Skywalker blocked Dooku's Lightning in TCW movie, and in the first season episode "Dooku captured." And Dooku wasn't holding back in either instance.

So if early CW Skywalker can block Lightning, then obviously Vader, whose Mastery of the Force is well beyond his younger self, can. And even if Vader gets hit by a surprise attack, he can take powerful shots and carry on fighting as he's proven against Starkiller.

lol, Anakin has actually blocked lightning himself?

See my comment about Dooku's lightning being shit.

@Intrepid, yes in TCW movie.

@Neph, name Malgus' best lightning feat.

The Third Lesson:

"At 10 meters, Malgus extended his free hand and loosed veins of blue Force Lightning. They struck the charging Jedi, swept through his defenses, swirled around him and began to burn flesh.

Shouting with pain, the Jedi leaned forward into the lightning - teeth bare, blue blades held before him - and staggered toward Malgus. Despite his burns, he came onward. One step, another, another, but he was failing, wilting in the heat of the lightning. Malgus channeled more power and the Jedi fell to his knees, screaming. The lightning spiraled around the Zabrak, blasting dark holes in his body. The lightsabers fell from his hands and he writhged in agony, screaming his pain to the sky."

As mentioned, this is the same Jedi who collapsed two buildings on Malgus and Malgus was grievously wounded (as in, afterwards he needed cybernetics installed to survive) at the time. The guy also had two lightsabers, which I believe makes it easier to block lightning and Malgus overpowers him easily. The text notes that Malgus could kill him at any time and he's extremely casual in his attack until he amps up the power. Lastly note that he blasts holes in the Jedi's body with his lightning, an extremely impressive display (whats more impressive is that the Jedi actually survives that. The guys a fvcking badass).

All from Deceived:

"Malgus, not to be outdone, picked a Jedi Knight at random, a human female ten meters away, held forth his left hand, and discharged veins of blue lightning from his fingertips. The jagged lines of energy cut a swath through the battle, harvesting two Padawans as they went, until they caught up to the Jedi Knight and lifted her off her feet.

She screamed as the lightning ripped into her, her flesh made temporarily translucent from the dark power coursing through her. Malgus savored her pain as she died."

"As Aryn prepared to leap at Malgus, he held forth a hand, almost casually, and lightning sizzled through the space between them. Aryn interposed her lightsabers, but the power in the lightning exceeded anything she had felt from Malgus before. It blasted through her defenses and both lightsabers flew from her hands. The lightning seized her, lifted her up, and threw her from the top of the shuttle."

Bare in mind that Aryn had earlier been able to block Malgus' lightning with a single lightsaber in midair, which speaks of the boost Malgus received when he embraced the darkside.

Also he actually did it 3 times:

"Malgus held forth his hand and the rage within him manifested in blue veins of lightning that discharged from his fingertips and slammed into Adraas. The power stopped Adraas’s charge cold, blew his lightsaber from his hand, caught him up in a cage of burning lightning. He screamed, squirming in frustration and pain."

YouTube video

1.10 Note that the Strike Team Malgus blasted either contained the HoT and the Barsen'thor or Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Still have no idea how you find that impressive.

Zallow treated the best Sith Warriors in the Empire like fodder. That's impressive.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So Scout is less random than Zallow, lol.

No, Scout was a weak as shit padawan, while Zallow was in charge of the Jedi Temple and one of the most prominent and skilled Jedi at the time.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Nah, it was definitely an even fight IIRC.

Well if you say so.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Does not follow.

Uh huh. Does to follow. Follows times a million.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I thought you said ok cool to Vader being a better swordsman?

Also, power=Malgus? lol

No, I said that Sidious' quote indicates that he's at least close to him. The fact that he beat Darach at such a young age, him beating Satale, Zallow and Leneer, before him getting a boost and having an extra 13 years to improve all add up to him being at least as skilled as Vader.

You're so cute.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
lmao

I don't read comics. Vile things. I only read my japanese animes.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
They use some pretty explicit wording. Can't remember the exact but I think it was ''massively'' or something like that, plus he improves after that.

Hmm.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So, he didn't Force pwn her, he lightning pwned her.

Force Lightning is the Force, dunkass.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
And Vader gained what, two large boosts upon his already beastly feats?

Two? Da faq?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So you think Bane>Malgus>Vader, lol

Kinda. I think Malgus and Vader are about equal though.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Disagreed.

And as I said, Malgus might win one out of ten times thanks to his lightning.

Ok.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zallow treated the best Sith Warriors in the Empire like fodder. That's impressive.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, Scout was a weak as shit padawan, while Zallow was in charge of the Jedi Temple and one of the most prominent and skilled Jedi at the time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Uh huh. Does to follow. Follows times a million.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I said that Sidious' quote indicates that he's at least close to him. The fact that he beat Darach at such a young age, him beating Satale, Zallow and Leneer, before him getting a boost and having an extra 13 years to improve all add up to him being at least as skilled as Vader.

-Beat Darach
-Beat Zallow
-Beat Leneer
-Beat Satele
+power boost

Vader:
-Beat five of seven Jedi
-On another occasion beat multiple Jedi
-Beat Roan Shryne
-Equal with ANH Obi-Wan
-Equal with Marek
-Beat Dark Woman
-Beat Celeste Morne
+power boost
+skill boost

It's pretty clear that Vader is the winner imo.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't read comics. Vile things. I only read my japanese animes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Hmm.

Lord Vader did not mind waiting, though, nor was he even aware of it. For it was an honor, and a noble activity, to kneel at his ruler's feet. He kept his eyes inward, seeking reflection in his own bottomless core. His power was great, now, greater than it had ever been. It shimmered from within, and resonated with the waves of darkness that flowed from the Emperor. He felt engorged with this power; it surged like black fire, demon electrons looking for ground ... but he would wait. For his Emperor was not ready; and his son was not ready, and the time was not yet. So he waited.

-Return of the Jedi.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Force Lightning is the Force, dunkass.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Two? Da faq?

We know ESB Vader=ESB Luke and RotJ Vader=RotJ Luke in skill. I'm pretty sure it's stated that Luke grew in skill inbetween ESB and RotJ though I'll have to look it up.

There is one thing that Zallow has contributed to: The armor of my jedi in swtor 😉

Originally posted by Intrepid37
We know ESB Vader=ESB Luke

Eh? Why would Luke be on his level at this time?

Vader beat ESB Luke.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
There is one thing that Zallow has contributed to: The armor of my jedi in swtor 😉

That armor is sweet as cheery pie.

Originally posted by Nephthys
See my comment about Dooku's lightning being shit.

Yeah of course it's shit. I mean he's only one of the most powerful force users in history 😮

Ok some of Dooku's FL feats:

Knocking out AOTC Anakin in one shot.

Knocking out Ventress in their first meeting, also one shot.

Knocking out Sora Bulq in one shot.

Incapacitating Ventress plus 2 of the best nightsisters combatants all simultaneously.

Yoda blocking it "far from easily" according to the AOTC Novel.

Check out the explosion here at 7:21-

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It actually causes the whole platform they're fighting on to collapse.

So yeah no, Dooku's Lightning is not shit. It's certainly not on Sidious's level, but it still pretty damn good.

No, its still shit.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
meh

Not sure why you even brought up Scout. Zallow is still as random as Shryne.

By virtue of feats, Kenobi would own Zallow too. :>

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What?

Some information:-

- Malgus finally spotted Master Zallow ten paces away, whirling, spinning, his green blade a blur of precision and speed. One Sith warrior fell to him, another. Lord Adraas landed before him, trying to take Malgus’s kill for himself. Adraas ducked low and slashed at Zallow’s knees. Zallow leapt over the blow and unleashed a blast of energy that sent Adraas skidding on his backside across the hall.

- Zallow, for his part, moved toward Malgus. A Sith warrior bounded at Zallow from his left, but Zallow leapt over the Sith’s blade, spun, slashed, and cut down the Sith.

Source: (Star Wars: The Old: Republic: Deceived)

These were not some lowly Sith warriors: In advance of the fleet, the strongest Sith Warriors have flown a stolen Republic ship into Coruscant’s orbit. Their mission is critical – to destroy the planet’s defense grid mainframe hidden in the heart of the Jedi Temple. [From here: http://www.swtor.com/info/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-trailer.]

Among these Sith warriors, Adraas was actually a rival of Malgus.

Zallow evidently puts Coleman Trebor (PT era Council member) to shame:

- Zallow, his eyes on Malgus throughout, deflected the bolts with his blade and sent them back at Eleena. Two struck her, and as she collapsed Zallow used a Force blast to drive her body against a column.

Source: (Star Wars: The Old: Republic: Deceived)

Eleena was also a skilled combatant in her own right. Malgus felt that she was good enough to participate in one of the most dangerous and daring missions in galactic history.

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Zallow was a master swordman not just in claim but performance. And he had decent Force abilities as well.

Still think that Zallow is random?

In-fact, Malgus regarded Zallow as the only opponent worthy for challenge among all the other Jedi inside the Jedi Temple. Keep in mind that Bengel Morr and Usma were also among these Jedi. So think again.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Malgus:

-Beat Darach
-Beat Zallow
-Beat Leneer
-Beat Satele
+power boost

Also, you forgot some information:

Malgus also beat a Jedi who evidently matches Vader (OT) in Force abilities. In-fact, Malgus killed another Jedi during by simply choking him to death during this encounter.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader:
-Beat five of seven Jedi
-On another occasion beat multiple Jedi
-Beat Roan Shryne
-Equal with ANH Obi-Wan
-Equal with Marek
-Beat Dark Woman
-Beat Celeste Morne
+power boost
+skill boost

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It's pretty clear that Vader is the winner imo.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
You're essentially telling me that beating Satele isn't impressive.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, its still shit.

Dooku hater!

Darach > Dooku? bullshit. Darach has done NOTHING to put him on dooku level. Dooku has tooled/beaten some of the most revered swordmasters in the order's history. Vague claims about darach hardly make him equal to the good count.

Satele<Yoda, hardly even arguable

Malgus IMO. I was indecisive/leaning towards Vader, but I had forgotten about Malgus's "tru powa o da dark seid" amp at the end of decieved.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Dooku hater!

I can't help it. He's just such an awful racist *******.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Darach > Dooku? bullshit. Darach has done NOTHING to put him on dooku level. Dooku has tooled/beaten some of the most revered swordmasters in the order's history. Vague claims about darach hardly make him equal to the good count.

Also, don't ever try to write off the feat of effectively dueling both Malgus and Vindican simultaneously as not an indication of capability of one of the finest duelists of all time (in legitimate fashion).

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Satele<Yoda, hardly even arguable

Oh, but I can. Let's think, Kenobi has beaten Maul and Opress with dual sabers, ventress has stalemated/could have beaten Anakin and Obi Wan (both of whom are more impressive than malgus/vindican at this point in time in terms of dueling) with dual sabers. But I know your clear bias would write off these feats as well. Dooku is a far superior duelist to Darach, being a peer to the likes of Windu, doing well against yoda, and tooling other revered swordmasters, is far greater than darach's one showing. Also Dooku has a plethora of impressive TK feats, some of which most likely exceed Darach's. Satele has never done things to match Yoda, like: superior TK (note: satele thing was due to tutaminis), far superior dueling skill, also has mastery over tutaminis, has been said to have mastered most known lightside powers, etc.