Darth Vader vs. Darth Malgus

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Darach evidently have superior dueling skill then Dooku. Force abilities wise, both seem to be even.

Also, don't ever try to write off the feat of effectively dueling both Malgus and Vindican simultaneously as not an indication of capability of one of the finest duelists of all time (in legitimate fashion).

Hell no. Dooku is one of the greatest duelists in the mythos. He stalemated Windu on Boy Pitz, defeated Tholme and Sora Bulq with complete ease (was beating Bulq in sabers), was called the orders best student by Yoda.

Dooku easily defeated Sora Bulq, a master of all 7forms of lightsaber combat and one of the greatest duelists in the history of the order and the battlemaster. Kao has nothing that says he could take Bulq.

In the force Dooku completlely outclasses Darach. He has TKed Obi Wan, lifted up giant orbalisks, tamed beasts, pulled down a bridge. thrown down rocks, pimpsmacked Bulq with the force, pwned Vos with the force.

Satele have all the credentials of being Yoda Tier. Your subjectivity doesn't matters.

no.

Darach is worse fodder than Zallow.

Originally posted by ares834
Eh? Why would Luke be on his level at this time?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Oh, but I can. Let's think, Kenobi has beaten Maul and Opress with dual sabers, ventress has stalemated/could have beaten Anakin and Obi Wan (both of whom are more impressive than malgus/vindican at this point in time in terms of dueling) with dual sabers. But I know your clear bias would write off these feats as well.

Lol did he fight off Malgus and Vindican with dual lightsabers? If he did then yeah TCW has made that a pretty standard thing to do.

He fought them off with one lightsaber and one doublebladed lightsaber. It was kinda badass.

He was a Battlemaster though and displayed great Force powers in the fight, absorbing and flinging lightning at Malgus, blasting Vindican across the room, using a Force slam in combat and throwing heavy objects at Malgus during his charge.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He fought them off with one lightsaber and one doublebladed lightsaber. It was kinda badass.

He was a Battlemaster though and displayed great Force powers in the fight, absorbing and flinging lightning at Malgus, blasting Vindican across the room, using a Force slam in combat and throwing heavy objects at Malgus during his charge.

Sounds pretty cool. You have a video?

YouTube video

I recommend you watch the whole thing because its awesome, but if you just want the fight its at 2.20.

Ninja'd by the guy above

Neph, what's your explanation for Malgus being more powerful? I think it's pretty clear that Vader edges it out in telekinesis by a decent margin.

Originally posted by Intrepid37

Cool. Still doesn't prove that ESB Luke=ESB Vader.

It does, since they were equal in skill.

Not sure how you get that. Experience = skill.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Ninja'd by the guy above

Neph, what's your explanation for Malgus being more powerful? I think it's pretty clear that Vader edges it out in telekinesis by a decent margin.

Not really. Malgus tossing around the Strike Team in the False Emperor flashpoint is up there with anything Vader has done. Above really, though I think it was likely a bit of a fluke.

In terms of power its really that he was already an extremely powerful guy capable of owning extremely powerful Jedi before he gained a huge boost in power. Also Force Maelstrom is an impressive application of the Force, combining 3 powers at once.

You notice that for Intrepid, the PT character automatically wins? No need for an argument.

Yeah, I didn't want to be rude but he is a dumbshit PT loving wanker. Who smells of queef.

Vader is OT, fail.

I know what he smells like because we bummed.

He has a soft arse.

Originally posted by mstanford2912
You notice that for Intrepid, the PT character automatically wins? No need for an argument.

o_O
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah, I didn't want to be rude but he is a dumbshit PT loving wanker. Who smells of queef.

o_O

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Vader is OT, fail.

😂

OT/PT, anything movies.

Nice recovery.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Oh, but I can. Let's think, Kenobi has beaten Maul and Opress with dual sabers, ventress has stalemated/could have beaten Anakin and Obi Wan (both of whom are more impressive than malgus/vindican at this point in time in terms of dueling) with dual sabers. But I know your clear bias would write off these feats as well. Dooku is a far superior duelist to Darach, being a peer to the likes of Windu, doing well against yoda, and tooling other revered swordmasters, is far greater than darach's one showing. Also Dooku has a plethora of impressive TK feats, some of which most likely exceed Darach's.

Your entire argument is filled with subjectivity and bias and you are accusing me of the same? Ironic.

We don't know if Anakin and Obi-Wan are superior duelists then Malgus and Vindican; this is your ASSUMPTION. Only difference is that the former two have lot of hype going for them.

Read this:-

"There in the hanger I encountered the most dangerous embodiment of the dark side I have experienced - the man who would later be known as Darth Malgus.

Malgus and his master must've sensed our presence. They landed their interceptor in the hanger entrance, blocking our entrance, and the two Sith rushed to confront us. I had engaged in hundreds of practice duels but nothing prepared me for the sheer ferocity of the Sith. Darth Malgus would have killed me then and there were it not for Master Kao."

From: http://www.amazon.com/The-Journal-Master-Gnost-Dural-Star-Wars/dp/6055420740

Dooku is far superior duelist then Kao based on what? Hype? Kao have shown much superior dueling skill then Dooku actually; Kao was not just an EXPERT duelist with a normal lightsaber but also with double-bladed lightsaber. In-fact, Kao touched new heights with his dueling abilities; he managed to use both normal and double-bladed lightsabers simultaneously in his duel with great precision and speed.

High resolution depiction: http://images.wikia.com/swtor/images/c/c2/Kao_Cen_Darach_fighting_Malgus_and_Vindican_alone.jpg

Also, Dooku have demonstrated nothing that puts him ahead of Kao in Force abilities aspect either; Kao tossed a big "starship engine" towards Malgus like a missile which is very impressive feat. In-fact, Kao send Vindican packing like 100 feet away from his position with a blast of power; keep in mind that Vindican was a Sith Inquisitor.

Stop unnecessarily assuming that every new introduction in SW is automatically inferior to likes of Dooku, Anakin, Obi-Wan, Windu and vice versa.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Satele has never done things to match Yoda, like: superior TK (note: satele thing was due to tutaminis), far superior dueling skill, also has mastery over tutaminis, has been said to have mastered most known lightside powers, etc.

Another burst of subjectivity from you:-

Satele have credentials that put her on pay with Yoda:-

1. Unleashed a mysterious Force power which killed multiple opponents simultaneously on moment's notice:

2. Held Malgus (one of the strongest Sith Lords of all times) at bay with one hand and pulled down a giant tree with gesture from another simultaneously:

NOTE: A tree of this size would realistically weigh over 100 tons. In short, Satele performed two tedious tasks simultaneously.

3. Blocked a lightsaber blade with bare hands:

4. Utterly destroyed a large rocky formation:

NOTE: Power of this scale is more than enough to demolish a large building. Large rocky formations are extremely heavy and tough phenomenon in reality. To give you an idea; here is an example of a 340 ton rock: http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-RZ496_rock_E_20120228181235.jpg. In contrast, Satele destroyed relatively bigger rocky formation (portion of a cliff itself).

5. Shattered a blast door by just touching it:

6. Blew apart a dozen special hex droids from inside out with a gesture.

The full extent of Satele's abilities are unknown at the moment. She is lot less explored in the lore then some PT era characters but available evidence suggests that Satele is full of surprises.

Also, did Yoda acquired shatterpoint talent? Satele have this talent (check feat number 5 for reference).

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In-fact, we have yet to witness peak abilities of Satele. So stop underestimating TOR era characters unnecessarily.

@Neph
I’m curious, wouldn’t the fact that Malgus tosses around HoT, Barsen’thor and co. mean that they are a solid tier below him.

And given that you argue Malgus is roughly equal or slightly above Vader, it would mean they are below Vader as well.

If so, Vitiate also goes down in the power-scale.