John McClane vs Rocky Balboa: Bloody Knuckles Contest

Originally posted by Robtard
DH5, McClane KO's a guy with one punch and the sound affect used made it seem like a side of beef hitting concrete, it was ridiculous, but a feat is a feat.

And if you think boxing techniques translate to something like bloody knuckle contest, you're loony.

He KO's an average joe who is completely unprepared for the hit. Any fit male can do the same as long as the opponent is unprepared and you get a clean shot in. Heck I can do it, you probably can too.

Boxing techniques grant you muscle memory to deliver proper punches and (if done properly) will train and strengthen your wrist and hand muscles to deliver punches without hurt your hand (at least that's how it's supposed to be). Rocky is old school, usually using a slab of frozen cow as his punching bag without wearing any gloves.

McClane has none of this training. Indeed, McClane has no feat whatsoever that shows him capable of punching for 12-18 rounds. His hands are not used to that kind of abuse. McClane has no feat that shows him having fists more durable than Rocky.

What if it was a bloodlusted unarmed H2H deathmatch in a karate dojo?

Originally posted by Lestov16
What if it was a bloodlusted unarmed H2H deathmatch in a karate dojo?

If it was a no holds barred h2h match then I'm leaning towards McClane. But in either a boxing match or a bloody knuckles contest, then Rocky wins hands down. He's a freakin heavyweight champion for crying out loud. He's bigger, heavier, and way better trained (at least when it comes to boxing). He doesn't even need to knock out McClane, he just needs to out-point him or break his hands.

Originally posted by FrothByte
He KO's an average joe who is completely unprepared for the hit. Any fit male can do the same as long as the opponent is unprepared and you get a clean shot in. Heck I can do it, you probably can too.

Boxing techniques grant you muscle memory to deliver proper punches and (if done properly) will train and strengthen your wrist and hand muscles to deliver punches without hurt your hand (at least that's how it's supposed to be). Rocky is old school, usually using a slab of frozen cow as his punching bag without wearing any gloves.

McClane has none of this training. Indeed, McClane has no feat whatsoever that shows him capable of punching for 12-18 rounds. His hands are not used to that kind of abuse. McClane has no feat that shows him having fists more durable than Rocky.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes: Comparing someone who is unbreakable against a smashed up professional ancient boxer is. Yet still you do it.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes: Comparing someone who is unbreakable against a smashed up professional ancient boxer is. Yet still you do it.

It's a pretty big stretch to call McClane unbreakable. He hasn't been knocked out in his movies, but he's been hurt plenty. I think you're confusing the Die Hard movies with Unbreakable.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh wooooowwwwwwww somone able to break ribs bareknuckle.
I guess Rocky (being the only guy ever to have done that in history) must be out busting up people all the time every saturday night...everywhere...

(Or is it not that much of an impressive feat as you make out..? 🙂 )

You cannot state that 'Mcclane never broke anyone's ribs ever' with any certainty. In fact has a wicked body shot, and most likely DID break ribs.
McClane is demonstratively tougher than slabs of generic animal meat. And that meat didn't punch back either.

Wicker body shot? You mean the body shots the Colonel and Karl tanked like a boss? Rocky breaks ribs with body shots (Apollo). McClane merely makes his enemies grunt. Rocky>>>>>McClane.

Point is that those vids alone prove that Rocky is tougher/harder on every level than McClane is. McClane has zero feats that come close to the Rocky feats I posted. If he does, post them. If not (Rhetorical) then concede.

Originally posted by Robtard
DH5, McClane KO's a guy with one punch and the sound affect used made it seem like a side of beef hitting concrete, it was ridiculous, but a feat is a feat.

And if you think boxing techniques translate to something like bloody knuckle contest, you're loony.

Originally posted by FrothByte
It's a pretty big stretch to call McClane unbreakable. He hasn't been knocked out in his movies, but he's been hurt plenty. I think you're confusing the Die Hard movies with Unbreakable.

And you need to see DH5, Im guessing from your appraisal.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Lol, a Russian nobody. Try again.

Oh dear.

1) That guy could have been the Russian equivalent of Batman, for all you know, rather than the Van Zan you make him out to be. He looked big enough and capable enough.

2) He did the same to a top Russian secret service guy too. (Who had a machine gun pointed at McClane at the time also)

Try (and fail) again.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And you need to see DH5, Im guessing from your appraisal.

I have a copy right here and I see nothing in it to suggest he's unbreakable. Tough son of a b**ch yes, but not invulnerable, not unbreakable, nowhere near the superman stats you seem to give him.

Besides, you forget that there are other Die hard films, films where he was clearly hurt (once by a girl who probably weighs half as much as Rocky). I think you need to rewatch all those films before you post again.

Despite the multitudes of things that would have killed any normal human being, you mean?

You forget that in those other movies, he never suffered a break. Once. Ever. Despite numerous collisions, impacts, falls, smashes, explosions and anything else.

Im not giving him Superman stats. Just going off of the 5 movies.
And McClane has yet to be shown having a problem with Kryptonite.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Despite the multitudes of things that would have killed any normal human being, you mean?

You forget that in those other movies, he never suffered a break. Once. Ever. Despite numerous collisions, impacts, falls, smashes, explosions and anything else.

Im not giving him Superman stats. Just going off of the 5 movies.

Unfortunately, this competition isn't to the death. If it was, I'd give it to McClane. This is simply a contest till one of them breaks his hand or gives up. Or if it was a boxing match, to see who wins the match. AND, McClane isn't invulnerable. He's been shown to get hurt just like every normal person... unless you claim he's immune to pain? Rocky doesn't need to KO him to win this fight.

It needn't be to the death at all, just surviving what he does with no broken bones is enough to show it..

McClane should have broken his hand (at least) twice in DH5 alone but didn't, punching guys out in one almighty shot per person.
Rocky used gloves with his guys and was never punching something like McClane's knuckles.

And actually, watching that last movie, it could be read indeed that McClane is immune to pain, or has ridiculous amounts of control over it.. (to the extent that it took away from the 'realism' of the character, and therefore the dramatic/peril feel that made the earlier films so electrifying.)

You don't immediately break your hand when you punch somebody. McClane not breaking his hand because he threw a punch means jack. McClane probably threw less punches in his 5 movies than Rocky did in a single match. Rocky has also fought bareknuckles before and even trains bareknuckle.

Does McClane train for bareknuckles?

Again, you are dismissing feats from other DH movies. McClane has been hurt by far less than Rocky. DH5 is one movie. DH1-4 is 4 movies. Guess which one/s hold more weight?

You do when punching someone in the skull bareknuckle as hard as he did in DH5.
Most of the time, a shot to the head will sound like a slapping noise, not a cow kitting the floor at terminal velocity.

Bare knuckle you don't power it like you would against a heavy bag for the reason of your own hand's breakage. And Terminal velocity cow impacts are how hard McClane was hitting, by screenfeats. And his hands were fine.
He could probably take this (as could anyone from his loins) by screenfeats.
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Again, are you dismissing how fast/hardhitting McClane is now..?
(Also McClane also beat the tar out of people bareknuckle in those other movies without breaking either hand once.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Oh dear.

1) That guy could have been the Russian equivalent of Batman, for all you know, rather than the Van Zan you make him out to be. He looked big enough and capable enough.

2) He did the same to a top Russian secret service guy too. (Who had a machine gun pointed at McClane at the time also)

Try (and fail) again.

And the facts are:

Lol, fail. "Most likely" broke ribs? Lol, fail again.

Wicked body shot? You mean the body shots the Colonel and Karl tanked like a boss? Rocky breaks ribs with body shots (Apollo). McClane merely makes his enemies grunt. Rocky>>>>>McClane.

Point is that those vids alone prove that Rocky is tougher/harder on every level than McClane is. McClane has zero feats that come close to the Rocky feats I posted. If he does, post them. If not (Rhetorical) then concede.

Nothing you have posted counters this. Your posts are nothing more than "I want McClane to win so I am ignoring facts" and, as usual, "McClane wins, just cuz."

Lol, terminal velocity cow impacts? 😆 You've lost it, man.

Very well: Fact is you do not know whether he was Mikeski Tysonov or not.

No I mean the Karl fight.

Nope it definitely sounded that way. Way heavier than punches generated by human shots. Sound is output of energy caused by an event. The event in this case being massive and fast impact.

You words (i won't say 'argument'😉 sound like long held spite against McClane from you, to me.

Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Lol, a Russian nobody. Try again.

He was a decently sized guy for one and I could easily conclude that he was a Russian somebody, Mr. Downplay.

Point is, McClane has one-shot KO power, despite all your downplays. But again, this is a bloody knuckle contest and not a boxing match. So McClane's super human durability in walking away from falls, explosions, car crashes, being hit in the face with machine-gun stocks, jumping out of speeding cars, being flung from out of control helicopters, crashing through plate glass, surviving uranium blast etc. also translate to his knuckles being super humanly durable.

Now would you like to try agian 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
He was a decently sized guy for one and I could easily conclude that he was a Russian somebody, Mr. Downplay.

Point is, McClane has one-shot KO power, despite all your downplays. But again, this is a bloody knuckle contest and not a boxing match. So McClane's super human durability in walking away from falls, explosions, car crashes, being hit in the face with machine-gun stocks, jumping out of speeding cars, being flung from out of control helicopters, crashing through plate glass, surviving uranium blast etc. also translate to his knuckles being super humanly durable.

Now would you like to try agian 🙂

Again, any decently sized, fit male has enough punching power to knock someone out as long as he gets a clean shot. McClane knocked out someone who was unprepared for him. No big deal there.

Here, just to prove to you it can be done:
YouTube video

Walking away from falls has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Surviving a car crash has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Getting hit in the face has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Crashing through glass has nothing to do with knuckle durability.

In fact, if you can cite even just one example of McClane having superior knuckle durability than the average tough guy, then we might have something. Has he ever punched through glass windows before? If he has then that's at least proof of good knuckle durability.