He was prepared: He walked up and squared up to fight.(after having hit McClane with his car without deccelerating til after the smashing into him)
The secret service guy who had a machinegun on McClane also was fair game when McClane sparked his ass out cold. But I guess as another example of McClane exhibiting KO power and knuckle durability, that'll continue to be ignored.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
He was prepared: He walked up and squared up to fight.(after having hit McClane with his car without deccelerating til after the smashing into him)
The secret service guy who had a machinegun on McClane also was fair game when McClane sparked his ass out cold. But I guess as another example of McClane exhibiting KO power and knuckle durability, that'll continue to be ignored.
The guy was talking (just finished a word) when McClane punched him. Didn't have his hands up, wasn't in any kind of fighting stance. If by "squared up to fight" you mean he squared his shoulders and jutted his jaw forward, then yeah sure... that made it all the more easier to get knocked out.
Again I repeat myself (as you seem to be deaf to this) every average guy has KO power as long as he can land a clean shot. McClane was granted an easy, clean shot because the guy had thrust his face forward and wasn't in any kind of defensive/fighting stance or guard. It doesn't prove that McClane has above average punching power. It just shows that McClane knows how to throw a punch.
McClane knocked out a couple of guys. SO what? Rocky knocked out lots of guys way bigger than McClane, and he did so while these guys were actively trying to fight him.
How does knocking out someone show that McClane has above average knuckle durability?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Again, any decently sized, fit male has enough punching power to knock someone out as long as he gets a clean shot. McClane knocked out someone who was unprepared for him. No big deal there.Walking away from falls has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Surviving a car crash has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Getting hit in the face has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Crashing through glass has nothing to do with knuckle durability.
In fact, if you can cite even just one example of McClane having superior knuckle durability than the average tough guy, then we might have something. Has he ever punched through glass windows before? If he has then that's at least proof of good knuckle durability.
So when Rocky's KO power is touted as a measure of how well he'd do in a 'bloody knuckle contest' it matters, but when McClane's is shown, it suddenly doesn't matter and anyone can do it. That's being biased.
Do you imagine in all of McClane's scrapes his hands were somehow never put under duress? Say for example when he jumped out of a speeding car, bounced, rolled and we see his hands pretty scraped up? Cos it's unlikely.
Done and done already a few pages back with McClane gripping onto an HVAC vent after an explosion and falling in DH1. A normal man's hand wouldn't have the strength or durability to do that; it was a super-human feat. But of course, it was ignored 🙂
Originally posted by Robtard
So when Rocky's KO power is touted as a measure of how well he'd do in a 'bloody knuckle contest' it matters, but when McClane's is shown, it suddenly doesn't matter and anyone can do it. That's being biased.Do you imagine in all of McClane's scrapes his hands were somehow never put under duress? Say for example when he jumped out of a speeding car, bounced, rolled and we see his hands pretty scraped up? Cos it's unlikely.
Done and done already a few pages back with McClane gripping onto an HVAC vent after an explosion and falling in DH1. A normal man's hand wouldn't have the strength or durability to do that; it was a super-human feat. But of course, it was ignored 🙂
I'm not saying McClane is a weak puncher, just that it's ridiculous to claim that he has one-shot knockout power simply because he knocked-out a civilian. No one claimed that Rocky has one-shot knockout power either (at least I didn't).
Rocky tests his punching power against professional fighters while wearing gloves, and he wins by using his fists and the strength of his punches. He wins by ONLY using his fists.
McClane uses whatever form of fighting he needs, and usually wins via dirty fighting tactics. Not that that's a bad thing, just that it shows that he isn't this worldclass striker/puncher, otherwise he wouldn't need to resort to dirty fighting tactics to finish his fights.
McClane hanging on to an HVAC... must have missed that, but yes that's a valid feat. So far the best feat yet mentioned in favor of McClane.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Very well: Fact is you do not know whether he was Mikeski Tysonov or not.No I mean the Karl fight.
Nope it definitely sounded that way. Way heavier than punches generated by human shots. Sound is output of energy caused by an event. The event in this case being massive and fast impact.
You words (i won't say 'argument'😉 sound like long held spite against McClane from you, to me.
Cool story, Brah.
Good then. Because Mac was going to town on Karl's torso and Karl barely slowed down.
Lol, do you have any idea the force of a cow/terminal velocity impact would make?
Lol, sure, why not. Fact is, you have STILL not countered anything I said.
Originally posted by FrothByteOh they mad now.
Again, any decently sized, fit male has enough punching power to knock someone out as long as he gets a clean shot. McClane knocked out someone who was unprepared for him. No big deal there.Here, just to prove to you it can be done:
YouTube videoWalking away from falls has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Surviving a car crash has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Getting hit in the face has nothing to do with knuckle durability. Crashing through glass has nothing to do with knuckle durability.
In fact, if you can cite even just one example of McClane having superior knuckle durability than the average tough guy, then we might have something. Has he ever punched through glass windows before? If he has then that's at least proof of good knuckle durability.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
YouTude clip is irrelevant considering the guy knocked-out was clearly already heavily intoxicated.
Bwahahaha. And you're basing this on what? Did you measure his blood alcohol content?
He looked pretty stable on his feet. Besides, you can find dozens of youtube videos showing regular guys knocking each other out with puny punches.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Way heavier than punches generated by human shots. Sound is output of energy caused by an event. The event in this case being massive and fast impact.
I disagree. Sound output from a strike depends on many factors, not just the power of impact. A slap is louder than a punch, doesn't mean it's stronger. A punch to the gut sounds louder than a punch to the ribs, doesn't mean it does more damage. A punch to the cheek is louder than a punch to the chin or to the nose, doesn't mean it's stronger.
Originally posted by The Fat Rambo
Cool story, Brah.Good then. Because Mac was going to town on Karl's torso and Karl barely slowed down.
Lol, do you have any idea the force of a cow/terminal velocity impact would make?
Lol, sure, why not. Fact is, you have STILL not countered anything I said.
Karl was a freak. (Note the fact that he was kicked thoroughly in the head and continued for example)
He sure looked pretty slowed down at the end of that encounter. And McClane battered him AFTER Karl shot him.
Accumulation then capitalisation for the win.
Yeah thats why I said it.
Oh it was countered. But feel free to sit there with fingers in your ears going: "Nyahhhh nhyaaaahhh cannnn't hearrrr youuu" all you like though. 🙂
The punch in question
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yet he never did. Not at that speed. "Speed kills" etc etcAlso Rocky movies would be like 29 mins long including build-up/period of self doubt/being coaxed by Adrienne/re-establishing some level of confidence/montage.
Also Rocky lacks the McResilliance of unholiness
McClane's punch looked like an average hook to me. Not too fast, not too slow. Definitely not sharp-looking enough. If that's how you think a fast punch looks like, then guys like Pacquiao and Mayweather must be like the Flash to you.
Rocky never knocked out someone like that because he never sucker punched an unsuspecting civilian.
It was a slappy hook/cross. (McClane, like Willis, I'd guess) is a southpaw. Not much body behind it other than some shoulder rotation, and McClane was standing tall at the time. This all makes the audible, seeable effect of that shot that bit more impressive.
It was compared to Rocky's telegraphed slowness..so I guess by your logic Rocky must look like Foreman on valium to you.
Well neither did McClane. Dunno about how they do things where you're from, but when a dude hits you with his car, then stops, gets out of the car, strides towards you looking aggressive, (when he should be apologising and shitting himself) and yelling at you whilst closing range, they expect that you're gonna gonna have a kickoff if the guy wasn't wheel fodder.
You keep going on about the guy I just described, yet you ignore the equally impressive punching out of the trained combat merc McClane did in the ballroom scene. That is the signature of your trollery here today.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was a slappy hook/cross. (McClane, like Willis, I'd guess) is a southpaw. Not much body behind it other than some shoulder rotation, and McClane was standing tall at the time. This all makes the audible, seeable effect of that shot that bit more impressive.It was compared to Rocky's telegraphed slowness..so I guess by your logic Rocky must look like Foreman on valium to you.
Well neither did McClane. Dunno about how they do things where you're from, but when a dude hits you with his car, then stops, gets out of the car, strides towards you looking aggressive, (when he should be apologising and shitting himself) and yelling at you whilst closing range, they expect that you're gonna gonna have a kickoff if the guy wasn't wheel fodder.
You keep going on about the guy I just described, yet you ignore the equally impressive punching out of the trained combat merc McClane did in the ballroom scene. That is the signature of your trollery here today.
Which merc? The one he tackled and knocked out while straddling him? What does that prove? McClane is a good scrapper, I never claimed otherwise. Still doesn't prove that he has this uber knockout power that you keep claiming. The guy was on his back and was unable to defend himself. McClane smacked him in the face and knocked him out. Like I said before, any average guy can knockout someone as long as they're given a clean shot.
As for the jeep driver, he didn't intentionally hit McClane. McClane waded into fast traffic and thus got hit. It was McClane's own fault that he got hit. Impressive durability shown by McClane though. But his punch wasn't all that. It was a slightly sloppy punch, and yet I've seen sloppier punches knockout guys (see video I posted above).
I don't know where you're from, but for most of the rest of the world, you don't punch a guy simply because he's shouting at you. Otherwise there'd be millions of brawls in offices. This guy might have been aggressive, but he definitely was unprepared for that shot. Thus a cheap shot. A sucker punch. You denying that is the "signature of your trollery here today".
As for telegraphed slowness, check out McClane's fight with the chick in Die Hard 4 and see her ducking around his blows making him look sloppy. Sure he won that fight, but not through any punching speed of any sort.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Karl was a freak. (Note the fact that he was kicked thoroughly in the head and continued for example)
He sure looked pretty slowed down at the end of that encounter. And McClane battered him AFTER Karl shot him.
Accumulation then capitalisation for the win.Yeah thats why I said it.
Oh it was countered. But feel free to sit there with fingers in your ears going: "Nyahhhh nhyaaaahhh cannnn't hearrrr youuu" all you like though. 🙂
Nah, Karl was a man, just like the Colonel. And they both tanked his body shots like a boss.
Lol, I own you.