OWAW Superman/WarHulk vs Odinfirce Thor/Voidsentry

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
😂 I don't have to explain anything to you nor do I have to convince you. If you can't grasp it it's no my business at all.

Simple, Superman is original, the first original comic Superhero, who was inspired by Jesus, Gladiator, Samson, Herkules and most notably Nietzsche's Übermensch, and most likely more. They took this all and created from it a new, something which didn't exist in comics before, a unique comicgenre, which stirred the rest of the Superheroes.

The fact that you think Jesus, Samson, Heracles and Nietzche can be spoken of in the same breath of influence as Hugo Danner or Aaron Munro, basically proves so. That's like arguing that Sentry was just as inspired by Captain America as he was Superman. No. Sentry's origin may be explicitly tied to the Super Soldier Serum and parallel Cap's original plucky kid sidekick characteristics among other things, but Sentry is basically a direct ripoff of Superman. And Superman may be inspired by the ancient Greek Heracles with some dashes of "savior of man" Jesus in there, but he is a direct ripoff of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro.

And your apparent willful ignorance of these sorts of facts is the heart of the matter here when it comes to discussing literary ripoffs and originality. You think Superman as a character rises above that? Only someone who has no idea who Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro could say that with a straight face.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That doesn't mean thet every Superhero is a ripoff Superman. One could created original Superheroes. Spiderman, Namor etc. Some fly and have Superstrength and are still no Superman clones. Captain Marvel on the other hand was a direct order from the company to the artist to create a Superman for the company.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The others, Gladiator, Marvelman were created also as copies of him. Sentry didn't take anything new, not very much, most of him is directly copied of existing Superman clones or Superman himself. And that's the difference. Get inspired by many different sources, take what you like and you got something new and unique. Copy just from one source or the copies of this source and change it slightly and you have a ripoff, simple.

Originally posted by ODG
No, you don't have to explain. So I'll just assume you have no idea how much of a ripoff Superman is of the earlier, yet contemporary, fictional characters of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro. Rendering your original assertion that Siegel and Shuster were original, completely moot and uneducated.

The fact that you think Jesus, Samson, Heracles and Nietzche can be spoken of in the same breath of influence as Hugo Danner or Aaron Munro, basically proves so. That's like arguing that Sentry was just as inspired by Captain America as he was Superman. No. Sentry's origin may be explicitly tied to the Super Soldier Serum and parallel Cap's original plucky kid sidekick characteristics among other things, but Sentry is basically a direct ripoff of Superman. And Superman may be inspired by the ancient Greek Heracles with some dashes of "savior of man" Jesus in there, but he is a direct ripoff of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro.

You don't understand even the simplest logic. Aren't you the guy from the Mandarin vs Batman discussion? That would explain it.

The moot and uneducated point is on you as the creators themselve told us who they were inspired by. Their own words > your childisch ignorance and hate tbh.
Hercules = Strength and Achilles = Invulnerability existed even before that. As said, Superman is the first and original Comic superhero. The cape, secret identity, strength, invulnerability, his origin. That's a completly new and unseen combination in comics and it lead to our known Superhero comics. Sure you don't like it but who cares. Be glad he was the first, else we wouldn't have those characters you like, most likely.

Still if we wouldn't have had Gladiator and Munro we still would have Superman, as the influence, Hercules, Jesus, Nietzsche, Samson etc. were already there. The strength and invulnerability, the saviour of mankind. They existed in other media before, lore. Those are Supermans roots, and some of them are the roots of Munro and Danner.

Originally posted by ODG

And your apparent willful ignorance of these sorts of facts is the heart of the matter here when it comes to discussing literary ripoffs and originality. You think Superman as a character rises above that? Only someone who has no idea who Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro could say that with a straight face. Ironically, the power of flight was ripped off from Captain Marvel by Superman writers, not the other way around. This being exactly the sort of misinformation that I abhor in discussions such as these. There isn't really a difference when Superman was a direct ripoff of Hugo Danner and Aaron Munro. He is no different in that regard. He just became more popular. And while Superman writers eventually aped more broad literary themes as inspiration like any popular serial character will do, Superman still ended up directly ripping off other characters, including (ironically) Captain Marvel. Things like the power of flight I already mentioned. Another notable one: Supergirl being a ripoff of Mary Marvel.

I know them as well as you but you already set your mind and the hate is strong in you. Well your opinion, as cute as it may be, is the opposite of the commonly accepted comic history and knowledge.

Captain Marvel and the flying thing. The opinions differ and the Fleischer cartoons played also a role. But why go into this, Superman is what Captain Marvel was designed after, that's all that's important. He was there before CM, you can focus as much on powers as you want, you can't change the fact that CM is a direct copy.

What's even funnier, one of the creators of Sentry himself said that Sentry is a Superman clone, wearing the requisite cape and being able to leap tall buildings.

So we end up with two things.

1. Your opinion, Superman is a ripoff and Sentry and CM aren't.
2. FACTs, direct statements of the creators who told us who they were inspired by when they created the first Superhero Comic and so the first Comic Superhero, Superman. That CM was an direct order to copy Superman. That Sentry is according to one creator, a Superman clone.

I prefer the facts. Sry.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You don't understand even the simplest logic. Aren't you the guy from the Mandarin vs Batman discussion? That would explain it.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The moot and uneducated point is on you as the creators themselve told us who they were inspired by. Their own words > your childisch ignorance and hate tbh.
Hercules = Strength and Achilles = Invulnerability existed even before that. As said, Superman is the first and original Comic superhero. The cape, secret identity, strength, invulnerability, his origin. That's a completly new and unseen combination in comics and it lead to our known Superhero comics. Sure you don't like it but who cares. Be glad he was the first, else we wouldn't have those characters you like, most likely.

Or maybe you don't actually know sh1t about any of this. Like I was saying before. You're trying really hard to mask your complete ignorance over these sorts of facts, but the harder you try, the more blatantly it's revealed.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Still if we wouldn't have had Gladiator and Munro we still would have Superman, as the influence, Hercules, Jesus, Nietzsche, Samson etc. were already there. The strength and invulnerability, the saviour of mankind. They existed in other media before, lore. Those are Supermans roots, and some of them are the roots of Munro and Danner.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I know them as well as you but you already set your mind and the hate is strong in you. Well your opinion, as cute as it may be, is the opposite of the commonly accepted comic history and knowledge.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Captain Marvel and the flying thing. The opinions differ and the Fleischer cartoons played also a role. But why go into this, Superman is what Captain Marvel was designed after, that's all that's important. He was there before CM, you can focus as much on powers as you want, you can't change the fact that CM is a direct copy.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
What's even funnier, one of the creators of Sentry himself said that Sentry is a Superman clone, wearing the requisite cape and being able to leap tall buildings.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So we end up with two things.

1. Your opinion, Superman is a ripoff and Sentry and CM aren't.
2. FACTs, direct statements of the creators who told us who they were inspired by when they created the first Superhero Comic and so the first Comic Superhero, Superman. That CM was an direct order to copy Superman. That Sentry is according to one creator, a Superman clone.

I prefer the facts. Sry.

I prefer the facts too. I'm not sorry that you are just shockingly uneducated over what those facts are. Despite my attempts to educate you. You have proven to be so profoundly misinformed of these facts, that you are intentionally or unintentionally just blatantly lying about my position now in order to regain some traction. I can tell which direction the conversation will head now: butthurt. So this is around the time where I laugh myself right out of this conversation.

Originally posted by ODG
Random butthurt deflection is random and butthurt. If you can't stick to discussing the topic, there's probably a good reason why.

Coming from you, el oh el.

Originally posted by ODG

Are we really supposed to be taking Siegel and Shuster's own words at face value here? Heracles, Jesus, Samson aren't copyrighted. Nobody's going to complain that they aped from their themes. Hugo Danner was a copyrighted character. Which is why Hugo Danner's creator publicly threatened to sue Siegel and Shuster. Why would you expect them to openly admit to copyright infringement liability?
Or maybe you don't actually know sh1t about any of this. Like I was saying before. You're trying really hard to mask your complete ignorance over these sorts of facts, but the harder you try, the more blatantly it's revealed.

Yes, really simple. Their words hold more value then yours tbh.
Hugo Danner threatened them but he didn't do it, why? Because he knew he couldn't and that he couldn't win. He had no ground, like you now. His threats were as empty as your claims are now.
So again a FACT. Wylie didn't sue them because he couldn't win.
Hercales, Samson, Jesus, Moses and all those stories are known, famous, they were the inspirations for many, many charakters.
It's like with Harry Potter and Timothy Hunter. Though they have far more in common then Supes and Glads.

Originally posted by ODG

The inspirations for Superman =/= the ripoffs that have defined the Superman character. You can't say that Superman ripped off Jesus Christ. That's just dumb. You can absolutely say that Superman ripped off Hugo Danner. This difference is something you're trying to gloss over. We get why. Because you wan to think that Superman is above all of that. He's not. Declaring your blatant over-generalizations and misinformation to be "commonly accepted comic history" is almost enough to make me laugh myself right out of his conversation. Superman ripped it off though. And anyway you're the one who mentioned flight, not me. So don't blame me for pointing out how you stuck your foot in your mouth. When have we ever argued that Sentry isn't a ripoff of Superman? Focus please.

I can absolutely say that he didn't ripped off Hugo Danner, as we know the sources for his inspiration from the creators themself. This is something you have to learn. Superman is unique, like many other Superheroes who fly, have superstrength and wear a cape. There are more then enough of them. A ripoff is an direct, consciously made copy of an existing charakter. Not of some general powers that existed since hundreds or thousands of years.
You can laugh out yourself out of here, because you already lost this, again. But you want, because you are to stubborn and pityful and will never accept that the words of people who actually created something iconic > yours.

Originally posted by ODG

1. When have I ever said in this thread that Sentry and CM are not ripoffs?
2. Why would you ever expect Siegel and Shuster to admit copyright infringement when they were being publicly threatened with lawsuits?

I prefer the facts too. I'm not sorry that you are just shockingly uneducated over what those facts are. Despite my attempts to educate you. You have proven to be so profoundly misinformed of these facts, that you are intentionally or unintentionally just blatantly lying about my position now in order to regain some traction. I can tell which direction the conversation will head now: butthurt. So this is around the time where I laugh myself right out of this conversation.

1. Ok we agree then 👆 . Good you are improving.
2. Because they sold Superman to DC.
You really don't like it and you don't like the Charckter, I get it. But don't try to force your hate and opinion on me as a fact. I stick to the words of the people who were there and created Superman, thanks.

You can try to insult me as much as you want. You are the only one who is making a fool out of himself. That's why you are running with your tail between your legs. But you can't. Your ignorance and injured pride will bring you back., like the last time.

ODG's word >>>> Jerry Siegel and Joe Shusters

el oh el, indeed

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Coming from you, el oh el.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yes, really simple. Their words hold more value then yours tbh.
Hugo Danner threatened them but he didn't do it, why?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Because he knew he couldn't and that he couldn't win. He had no ground, like you now. His threats were as empty as your claims are now.
So again a FACT. Wylie didn't sue them because he couldn't win.
Hercales, Samson, Jesus, Moses and all those stories are known, famous, they were the inspirations for many, many charakters.
It's like with Harry Potter and Timothy Hunter. Though they have far more in common then Supes and Glads.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I can absolutely say that he didn't ripped off Hugo Danner, as we know the sources for his inspiration from the creators themself. This is something you have to learn. Superman is unique, like many other Superheroes who fly,

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
have superstrength and wear a cape. There are more then enough of them. A ripoff is an direct, consciously made copy of an existing charakter. Not of some general powers that existed since hundreds or thousands of years.
You can laugh out yourself out of here, because you already lost this, again. But you want, because you are to stubborn and pityful and will never accept that the words of people who actually created something iconic > yours.

And, yea, I'll keep throwing it in your face that you can't even bring yourself to speak about them.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. Ok we agree then 👆 . Good you are improving.
2. Because they sold Superman to DC.
You really don't like it and you don't like the Charckter, I get it. But don't try to force your hate and opinion on me as a fact. I stick to the words of the people who were there and created Superman, thanks.

Can you be this much of a colossal goon when it comes to Supeman that you consciously thought this through enough to type that out and expected it to make sense? You can't ripoff Apple products, sell the designs to another company, then act like you're scot-free to openly admit everything, simply because you transferred the rights to the infringing property to somebody else.

What could have possibly possessed you to asset something that retarded? My medical diagnosis: spontaneous stupidity and brain shutdown caused by pain in the rectum.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You can try to insult me as much as you want. You are the only one who is making a fool out of himself. That's why you are running with your tail between your legs. But you can't. Your ignorance and injured pride will bring you back., like the last time.

ODG's word >>>> Jerry Siegel and Joe Shusters

el oh el, indeed

But go ahead and prove you're at least topically educated and not completely butthurt by typing out what is similar between Hugo Danner/Aaron Munro and Superman. Because clearly, you are try harding right now with self-projections, deflections, blatant lies, and bumbling incoherency. How about you try hard with some actual facts?

So erm...who wins?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So erm...who wins?

That's a tough one, but team 1. 10/10

Another thread went to shit.

Originally posted by ODG
Because somehow you like to spread your butthurt across numerous threads? Your self-projection is so transparent, and your monumentally ironic phail blatant it deserves this .gif:

You are cute. Really. First you follow me through threads after our first discussion, which you lost and couldn't bear to accept defeat and now you project your insecurity and your other character flaws on me, cute.
Your attitude changed, which is am inmprovement. In our first discussion you ignored every fact and started to rage, insult and playing the internet tough-guy-bully, which made me feel pity for you, because I can imagine what you are. Now your approach was interesting, more subtle but still full of hate and spite. Calm down, boy, I don't want to hurt your feelings anymore.

Originally posted by ODG

Hugo Danner is a fictional character. He can't physically sue people in real life. Try not to get so mad that you become incoherent. And Siegel and Shuster would never admit that Hugo Danner inspired Superman when they were threatened with litigation. Gladiator isn't the name of the character, it's the name of the book that Hugo Danner is featured in. Please stop being incoherent or broadcasting just how dumb you are about this all. I like how you declare that the creator could not win and that your knowledge of his inner thoughts somehow constitutes a documented fact. Like I said, when your arguments get completely railroaded to oblivion, you just start spouting out complete lies and fabrications before the inevitable rectal dam burst. Because comic creators are always honest about whether or not they ripped off other comic characters. Hold up for a second, you can hear the internet breaking out in simultaneous laughter. And once again, Captain Marvel flew first. Hugo Danner's influence on Superman's creation is well-documented. And I bet it makes you mad. After all, you couldn't even bring yourself to renumerate what Superman ripped off from Hugo Danner or Aaron Munro. It's funny that you keep glossing over this, but clearly you refused to read about it, making you willfully ignorant and scared because of what more butthurt could ensue, or if you did actually bother to look it up, it apparently makes you so mad that you can't even begin to describe what was ripped off.

My bad, I was in a hurry and wrote the name of the character not the creator, which proves I didn't take the time for you. Sorry, you are not that important, you could have come to this conclusion by yourself, but that would require some thinking.
Your words. I take the words of the creators. You are not the authority you want to be, sorry boy.
Now you are back again at the point of being the tough guy one has to pity 👆
Creators are more honest then you to be sure as seen in the other thread we had a discussion in 👆. Why should I doubt their words when they make perfect sense? Your are cute.
I can't hear it, but I believe you when you say you can hear the internet laughing 😉.
Again CM was a direct copy of Superman, by order.
It doesn't because it wasn't essential, if you know how superman was created, what he was at first before being published etc. but why educate someone who is to stubborn and blind to accept the truth *shrug.
I know them. I know that Superman has a strength like Hercules, invulnerability almost like Achilles, he was send to earth in order to be saved like moses. An good an original approach. Like Siegfried.

Originally posted by ODG

And, yea, I'll keep throwing it in your face that you can't even bring yourself to speak about them. 1. I never disagreed that Sentry and CM weren't ripoffs. The only thing that improved was the transparency of your projection to cover up your blatant lie about my position. No, wait. That was completely transparent. Never mind, your butthurt is still obvious.
2. So they have no fear of reprisal? You do understand that would make DC liable for continuing the copyright infringement against the Hugo Danner creator, and make Siegel and Shuster liable to DC for false representations and related torts along with being liable to Wylie for copyright infringement?

Why should I write something for you, if you can't even accept the basic facts. You keep on spreading lies, are mad when called out on them and expect people to take your word over the word of the creators. Cute.

1. 👆 you learn, a little bit at least.
2. So now we take your guessing and mindreading skills to prove that you know what is real and true and they don't? Sure, cute. You are no authority, your opinion, though cute isn't a fact. Accept it and start the healing.

Originally posted by ODG

Can you be this much of a colossal goon when it comes to Supeman that you consciously thought this through enough to type that out and expected it to make sense? You can't ripoff Apple products, sell the designs to another company, then act like you're scot-free to openly admit everything, simply because you transferred the rights to the infringing property to somebody else.

If I copy something, it's a copy and obiously at that, you can sue me and will win. Still I can get inspired by apple, samsung and other and make something completly new. Though in the case of Superman, the role of Glads if any would be minimal at best, as all those traits were already there, in history and myth. You will never get over it that he was the first, I know. Keep trying though, maybe you will convince some people one day. The majority knows the truth however 😉.

Originally posted by ODG

What could have possibly possessed you to asset something that retarded?

Kettle calling.. oh forget it. I'm not going to drop to your level^^.

Originally posted by ODG

My medical diagnosis: spontaneous stupidity and brain shutdown caused by pain in the rectum.

Self-awareness is vital to self-improvement 👆

Originally posted by ODG

I don't have to try to insult you. You've been making a complete fool out of yourself on your own. But that's all your fault. Because you simply couldn't accept the fact that Superman is a direct ripoff of pre-existing characters, and Superman continued to ripoff other characters. Blatantly.

Coming from you, that's cute.
It's all my fault, nooooooo. el oh el.
Not a fact your opinion. You yourself said that he was inspired by:

Originally posted by ODG
And Superman is a blatant ripoff of Hugo Danner, Aaron Munro, Hercules and Samson with Moses and Jesus themes tacked on well after-the-fact.

Let's not pretend Siegel and Shuster were being original.

With most being confirmed by the creators. Too many characters to be a ripoff. Hugo, Hercules, Samsons... that's too much. With traits of Moses and jesus. See that's why he is the original 😉. Thanks for proving this. 👆

Originally posted by ODG

But go ahead and prove you're at least topically educated and not completely butthurt by typing out what is similar between Hugo Danner/Aaron Munro and Superman. Because clearly, you are try harding right now with self-projections, deflections, blatant lies, and bumbling incoherency. How about you try hard with some actual facts?

I did, you are the only one who expects me to take your word >>> the word of the creators. You are no authority, not for me, nor for anyone else, sorry to disappoint you son.So try harder, rage more and keep on spreading your lies as facts. I keep to the facts. I pity you though.

ODG and Batman-Prime, what in hells name are you guys even arguing about?

1. Superman is not an original invention, no matter how much fanboyism handicaps your opinion.
Superman is straight up inspired by the novel "Gladiator", which came out in 1930. Here is a nice little entry in its wikipedia thingy:

"Gladiator is an American science fiction novel first published in 1930 and written by Philip Wylie. The story concerns a scientist who invents an "alkaline free-radical" serum to "improve" humankind by granting the proportionate strength of an ant and the leaping ability of the grasshopper. Eight years later, both metaphors were used to explain Superman's powers in the first comic of his series."

You have to be as stupid as it gets to not see the clear as day inspiration in that one.

2. Even before the "Gladiator" novel we had a different story about John Carter of Mars, a human from the Earth, who traveled to Mars, where he met Dejah Thoris and helped her in fights against the Green Men of Mars.

Due to the different gravity on Mars John Carter was much stronger, faster, more durable and able to jump higher than anyone else there. He was an übermensch!

3. Captain Marvel came along, who was a clear as day Superman copy with some improvements, like the ability to fly, which Superman gained later on as well.

4. Then we got Marvelman / Miracleman, who was inspired by Captain Marvel and dramatically inspired by Miracleman was also the Sentry:

http://www.comicvine.com/sentry/4005-1454/forums/sentry-faq-is-sentry-a-superman-ripoff-1480145/#0

Calling Sentry a clear as day Superman ripoff makes you again - as stupid as it gets, because there are just so many dramatic differences that it's not even funny anymore.

4. Gladiator came along, who got his name from the Gladiator novel, which Superman is based on. He of course is also heavily based on Superman like few other characters.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You are cute.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Really. First you follow me through threads after our first discussion, which you lost and couldn't bear to accept defeat and now you project your insecurity and your other character flaws at me, cute.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Your attitude changed, which is am inmprovement.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
1. 👆 you learn, a little bit at least.
2. So now we take you guessing and midnreading skills to prove that you know what is real and true and they don't? Sure, cute. You are no authority, your opinion, though cute isn't a fact. Accept it and start the healing.

This doesn't require guessing or mind-reading. And you'd have to be a real twit to think otherwise.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
If I copy something, it's a copy and obiously at that, you can sue me and will win. Still I can get inspired by apple, samsung and other and make something completly new. Though in the case of Superman, the role of Glads if any would be minimal at best, as all those traits were already there, in history and myth.

You don't know sh1t. Or you're just lying outright. Hugo Danner's story isn't minimal. A ridiculous amount of Superman's early powers, chacteristics, character foibles, and even adventures were lifted from Hugo Danner's story. A bunch of them, blatantly so. Now sit down and wait for a minute for your comics history lesson. While you wait for the next post that I detail this, do yourself a favor and grab a buttplug and some tissues to stem your bleeding. This is how much Siegel and Shuster ripped off Superman in his first year of published comics: Action Comics #1-12 and Superman #1 published between June 1938 to June 1939 of the Hugo Danner story, Gladiator, published in 1930. We should start at the beginning after all:

^You can find similarities in every story. Take some history lessons and read up on greek myth, nordic myth and others and you will find all that in Glads and Superman.

Learn to differ and educate yoursef boy ^^.

Rage on it's amusing, don't expect me to go through your "butthurt" again 👆

BTW don't forget after taking those powers and character traits to think about myth and if other characters, like Hercules, Achilles, Moses, Jesus etc didn't had those traits before. You might spare youself some humiliation... though it's too late already 😉.

Oh and cute how fast you reply and how eager you are. I think I got a fan 😉.

Yes, but Jesus has almost no onpanel feats, only hype.

velho

Originally posted by abhilegend
Another thread went to shit.

Sorry, I should ignore my personal stalker but... ok there is no excuse for feeding a Troll :/

UOTE=14489680]Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yes, but Jesus has almost no onpanel feats, only hype.

velho [/QUOTE]

😛

Let's start with what literally makes them both super-heroes. The very core of their characters: their super-powers.

1. Hugo Danner could jump really high. This isn't an incidental trait of his super-strength that was never focused on. Although he had always manifested super-strength, it wasn't until he leaped several stories straight up "beyond the eye of man, he learned that he was superhuman."
2. Hugo Danner was super-strong. And became much stronger as he matured.
3. Hugo Danner could "run fast'r than a train."
4. Hugo Danner was bullet-proof and near invulnerable. In fact, nothing short of an artillery shell could hurt him. Indeed, it was a barrage of artillery fire that hurt him for the first time ever.

Here's an explanation of Superman's powers in his very first appearance in Action Comics #1 on the very first frikkin page, where the four things that are listed: his uncanny leaping ability, his super-strength, his running speed superior to a train, and his invulnerability "that nothing less than a bursting shell could penetrate his skin." Mind you, it wouldn't be until much later, the 50s approximately???, that Superman exhibited things like heat vision, freeze breath, etc. These were Superman's original super-powers:

Coincidence? Pfft.

5. After discovering his super-powers, Hugo Danner's father explained to him with a colorful analogy how his powers worked, "[w]hen you were born -- you were that strong. Did you ever watch an ant carry many times its weight? Or see a grasshopper jump fifty times its length? . . . Can you understand that?"

This is another panel from Action Comics #1 from the first page directly below the previous one posted:

Coincidence? Blatant plagiarism, more like.

6. Hugo Danner all exhibited these preternatural abilities as an infant to the shock of his mother by, among other things, moving around and literally wrecking furniture. That's how the story basically began. Here's baby Superman doing the same exact thing at the beginning of Action Comics #1 and Superman #1 (the first pages respectively of each issue) wrecking the furniture of his orphan asylum (it wasn't until much later that it was retconned that the Kents never stopped to drop him off at an orphan's asylum and took him straight to their farm home):

http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff15.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff16.jpg

These are just Hugo Danner's super-powers and how they were described and how they were first introduced. Same with Superman. Do you detect a pattern? Not yet? Let's continue:

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Sorry, I should ignore my personal stalker but... ok there is no excuse for feeding a Troll :/

UOTE=14489680]Originally posted by DarkSaint85
[B]Yes, but Jesus has almost no onpanel feats, only hype.

velho

😛 [/B][/QUOTE]

He is actually posting evidence to back his claims whereas you are not. Funny thing is Jesus has many similarities to previous religions as well but you wouldn't know that either. Watch Zeitgeist and have your mind blown. Noah's flood is another blatant rip off the Gilgamesh flood iirc.

Superman like the others are taken from previous ideas and heroes. Proof is in the pudding. He isn't different or the first either.

Let's move on to specific feats and upbringing:

7. Hugo Danner had a variety of feats showcasing his super-strength. But since it wasn't a comic serial, he didn't actually have a whole bunch of them beyond simply man-handling people. What were some of his more impressive real super-strength feats? Among other things, he ripped a steel vault off its hinges, and then lifted a car into the air over his head along with its passenger.

Here's Superman tearing a steel vault off its hinge (his first real super-strength feat in costume... ever) and lifting a car over his head (his second) in Action Comics #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff03.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff05.jpg

Really? Superman's first two real super-strength feats happened to be exactly some of Hugo Danner's limited super-strength feats? There's a few good reasons DC won their lawsuit against Fawcett comics, one of them was because Captain Marvel ended up lifting a whole bunch of feats that Superman himself performed first.

8. Hugo Danner's parents instilled strong moral values in him and specifically warned him as a child not to display his super-powers, "Because they fear you. So you see, you've got to be good and kind and considerate -- to justify all that strength. Some day you'll find a use for it -- a big, noble use -- and then you can make it work and be proud of it. Until that day, you have to be humble like all the rest of us." Hugo Danner ended up beating picked on and humiliated by bullies at his school and even whipped by a smithy of all things, pretending to be weak with varying degrees of success.

Here's a young Superman being raised with the "love and guidance of his kindly foster-parents [which] was to become an important factor in the shaping of the boy's future," lectured to keep his powers hidden but to assist humanity "when the proper time comes" in Superman #1.

And him willingly humiliating himself by being bullied and pretending to be weak in Action Comics #1:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff04.jpg

Did you think the wimpy Clark Kent persona hiding his powers was original? Sorry.

^That's all, really? Take some history lessons, read something about myth 😉.

Originally posted by Enzeru
ODG and Batman-Prime, what in hells name are you guys even arguing about?

[b]1. Superman is not an original invention, no matter how much fanboyism handicaps your opinion.
Superman is straight up inspired by the novel "Gladiator", which came out in 1930. Here is a nice little entry in its wikipedia thingy:

"Gladiator is an American science fiction novel first published in 1930 and written by Philip Wylie. The story concerns a scientist who invents an "alkaline free-radical" serum to "improve" humankind by granting the proportionate strength of an ant and the leaping ability of the grasshopper. Eight years later, both metaphors were used to explain Superman's powers in the first comic of his series."

You have to be as stupid as it gets to not see the clear as day inspiration in that one.

2. Even before the "Gladiator" novel we had a different story about John Carter of Mars, a human from the Earth, who traveled to Mars, where he met Dejah Thoris and helped her in fights against the Green Men of Mars.

Due to the different gravity on Mars John Carter was much stronger, faster, more durable and able to jump higher than anyone else there. He was an übermensch!

3. Captain Marvel came along, who was a clear as day Superman copy with some improvements, like the ability to fly, which Superman gained later on as well.

4. Then we got Marvelman / Miracleman, who was inspired by Captain Marvel and dramatically inspired by Miracleman was also the Sentry:

http://www.comicvine.com/sentry/4005-1454/forums/sentry-faq-is-sentry-a-superman-ripoff-1480145/#0

Calling Sentry a clear as day Superman ripoff makes you again - as stupid as it gets, because there are just so many dramatic differences that it's not even funny anymore.

4. Gladiator came along, who got his name from the Gladiator novel, which Superman is based on. He of course is also heavily based on Superman like few other characters. [/B]

Take Glads and compare him to characters of myth and you will see that he shares some powers and traits with them. They were there long before he was created. Now, Superman and Glads were inspired by some similar sources, so no wonder they have some traits in common but also enough differences. But Superman was not created like.

Joe: Ey Jerry this Guy is cool, we make something like him and call him Superman!

It was more like. What would we get if we would take Hercules strength, the drama of Moses etc and create something new?

Sentry was called a Superman clone by one of his creators. simple.

YOu like wiki? here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero
"Since the creation of the prototypical superhero Superman in 1937, "

I wonder why Supes has so much haters? Envy?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^That's all, really? Take some history lessons, read something about myth 😉.

Take Glads and compare him to characters of myth and you will see that he shares some powers and traits with them. They were there long before he was created. Now, Superman and Glads were inspired by some similar sources, so no wonder they have some traits in common but also enough differences. But Superman was not created like.

Joe: Ey Jerry this Guy is cool, we make something like him and call him Superman!

It was more like. What would we get if we would take Hercules strength, the drama of Moses etc and create something new?

Sentry was called a Superman clone by one of his creators. simple.

YOu like wiki? here we go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superhero
"Since the creation of the prototypical superhero Superman in 1937, "

I wonder why Supes has so much haters? Envy?

Can we get anymore blatant? How about specific adventures that they shared. Yea, this stuff happened in the short Hugo Danner story and in the first year of Superman's published stories:

9. Hugo Danner when he matured, was a bit of a wanderer and therefore had a kind of goofily wide range of experiences. They weren't that explored in detail because, well, it was a short book. But among other things (and in no particular order), he confronted selfish politicians on Capital Hill, he experienced terrible wartime combat, he played high school and collegiate football until he accidentally killed someone, he worked as a strongman on the boardwalk, and he bullied a bunch of corrupt police officers who tried to torture him.

Here's Superman confronting selfish politicians, making a selfish munitions manufacturer experience terrible wartime combat, playing collegiate football, working as a strongman in the circus, and bullying a bunch of corrupt prison wardens who tried to torture him. These are all from Action Comics #1, 2, 4, 7 and 10 respectively:

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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff07.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff08.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff09.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff10.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Random/Ripoff11.jpg

Really? You mean to tell me that in the first ten published appearances of Superman, he happens to share five awfully similar adventures that Hugo Danner experienced? Fact is, I only limited by look to the first year of Superman's comics. I'm almost assuredly going to find more parallel adventures by reaching beyond those issues, which 'll discuss later. But the 5 for 10 ratio in the very first 10 comics of Superman is a rather curious blatant ratio indicating something. See if you can guess the proper word: r_p_ff.

Hell, why not trace some curious parallels between Hugo Danner and Superman that don't even raelly fall into the category of origins, upbringing, feats or adventures:

10. Hugo Danner was explicitly described as having "a quantity of blackhair -- hair so dark as to be nearly blue" and a tall solid physique.

Yeah. That one is pretty self-explanatory.

11. Hugo Danner and his father have a conversation about just what he is exactly. After revealing to him his origins and his super-powers, he asked him can you understand that? What was Hugo Danner's response?

"Sure. I'm like a man made out of iron instead of meat."

... I shouldn't have to explain this one either. Although I should point out that Superman's publishers only started carrying his official moniker of Man of Steel -- it had showed up on a newspaper headline earlier -- from Action Comics #11 onward consistently: