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Darth Sidious vs Empire Strike Team
The strike team of the 4 Empire protagonists from Swtor show up to take Sidious down, Malgus style. Does Sidious fall as Baldy did, or does he have the balls to walk away?
All characters at the end of their storylines.
Darth Nox
Second Emperor's Wrath
Cipher 9
Grand Champion of the Great Hunt
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Emperor Sidious in all his power. Assumption that this team defeated Malgus.
Takes place in Palpatines throne room in the 1st Death Star, seen at the end of TFU.
Cipher 9 and the Hunter aren't Force users, so theres that.
Nox, you should be very aware of by now. By herself she can shatter rock with her lightning and she has 5 powerful Force spirits enhancing her, leading to her complete stomp of Thanaton. She has good telepathy as shes able to dominate the will of even strong-willed people, good defenses with the spirits and excellent lightning and TK. When Thanaton tried to attack her with a lightsaber she stopped it in midair before forcing him to his knees with TK, then defeating him with lightning.
Others should describe the Wrath since I don't really know much about them. Blocked Baras' lightning. And um......
Originally posted by Nephthys
Cipher 9 and the Hunter aren't Force users, so theres that.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Nox, you should be very aware of by now.
Originally posted by Nephthys
By herself she can shatter rock with her lightning
Originally posted by Nephthys
and she has 5 powerful Force spirits enhancing her,
Originally posted by Nephthys
leading to her complete stomp of Thanaton.
I'm not mockering and trying to belittle the TOR team by asking those questions by the way, I'm just genuinely interested.
Originally posted by Nephthys
She has good telepathy as shes able to dominate the will of even strong-willed people, good defenses with the spirits and excellent lightning
Originally posted by Nephthys
and TK.
Originally posted by Nephthys
When Thanaton tried to attack her with a lightsaber she stopped it in midair before forcing him to his knees with TK, then defeating him with lightning.
Me
What has Thanaton done?
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
^^^So you have not done your homework before creating this thread?
I know basically what the Wrath has done: beats Jedi Master Noman Karr, beats Darth Vengean with Lord Draaghs help, beats Darth Ekkage with another Jedi Masters help (Vengean and Ekkage are Dark Council members), beats the possessed Emperor's Voice on Voss, beats Draagh on Corellia (after Draagh owns Vowrawn) and beats Darth Baras at the end of the game.
I just don't know about specific force feats since I haven't played the class much.
What about OT Sidious?
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Would they not be classified as fodder then?
Not really. They've defeated Jedi Masters and Sith Lords. Cipher 9 might be fodder to Sidious, but likely not with his allies supporting him. He can still be extremely irritating with his stealth and gadgets. The Champ is actually really ****ing good, likely one of, if not the best Non-Force Sensitives in the mythos. He's defeated the undefeated Jedi Battlemaster Jun Seros, extremely fast and powerful Darth Tormen and Kellian Jarro, A Jedi Master who soloed over a hundred veteran madalorians in the Sack of Coruscant.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Admittedly, but I don't play the games, and for TOR, I've read only Deceived and Revan.
Ok, but you really should have known all this from previous threads.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not among the best example of lightning in the mythos, but fairly good.
True, but this was Nox in Act 1 of the Inquisitor campaign, before they gained the power of 5 powerful force users, which hugely increase her power.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Is this the norm or did it only apply to said battle with Thanaton?
Its the norm. The Inquisitor is the master of a technique that binds spirits to her and she can access their power freely.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What has Thanaton done?I'm not mockering and trying to belittle the TOR team by asking those questions by the way, I'm just genuinely interested.
If you want info on Thanaton I suggest this thread and this thread.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sounds good.
Yes.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Do you have any examples?
Mostly its pwning Thanaton in TK. I'll try to recall more TK feats if I can.
Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
DE Sidious isn't non-existent until the new movie comes out. Until then, canon is canon. Anyways, if this is DE Sidious, I think it's too much for the team, as only Nox and Wrath would be actual factors.
It's actually sarcasm, since Gideon is so hell-bent on literally interpreting the scripturesWords of GL on one specific issue, even though GL notes that there are "two worlds" and he doesn't police both of them, and considers in his own personal canon SW to begin and end with his movies and their immediate GL directed products; thus strictly speaking according to GL absolute canon, DE Sidious doesn't exist.
Further, in an August 2005 interview in Starlog magazine:
[list]STARLOG: "The Star Wars Universe is so large and diverse. Do you ever find yourself confused by the subsidiary material that's in the novels, comics, and other offshoots?"
LUCAS: "I don't read that stuff. I haven't read any of the novels. I don't know anything about that world. That's a different world than my world. But I do try to keep it consistent. The way I do it now is they have a Star Wars Encyclopedia. So if I come up with a name or something else, I look it up and see if it has already been used. When I said [other people] could make their own Star Wars stories, we decided that, like Star Trek, we would have two universes: My universe and then this other one. They try to make their universe as consistent with mine as possible, but obviously they get enthusiastic and want to go off in other directions."[/list]
[list]TOTAL FILM: "Are you happy for new Star Wars tales to be told after you're gone?"
LUCAS: "I've left pretty explicit instructions for there not to be any more features. There will definitely be no Episodes VII-IX. That's because there isn't any story. I mean, I never thought of anything. And now there have been novels about the events after Episode VI, which isn't at all what I would have done with it. The Star Wars story is really the tragedy of Darth Vader. That is the story. Once Vader dies, he doesn't come back to life, the Emperor doesn't get cloned and Luke doesn't get married..."[/list]
Leland Chee's attempts to rationalize canon as well border on Insane Troll Logic, so I don't consider him any more valid than I would Random Poster X. The contradictions are so glaring he should be a case study on living fallacies.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sidious (DE incarnation) lost to duo of Luke and Leia. Leia wasn't even a big deal during this time.This Imperial Strike Team is much more potent then the aforementioned duo.
BUT HE HAD KNOWLEDGE FROM MILLIONS OF PLANETS THAT HE SOMEHOW MASTERED IN A HUMAN LIFETIME AND HE HAD A CRYSTAL OR SOMETHING AND HE CAN MAKE WORMHOLEZ.
WHY DO YOU FAIL TO SEE THIS LOGIC?
This is a good debate Neph.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not really. They've defeated Jedi Masters and Sith Lords. Cipher 9 might be fodder to Sidious, but likely not with his allies supporting him. He can still be extremely irritating with his stealth and gadgets. The Champ is actually really ****ing good, likely one of, if not [b]the best Non-Force Sensitives in the mythos. He's defeated the undefeated Jedi Battlemaster Jun Seros, extremely fast and powerful Darth Tormen and Kellian Jarro, A Jedi Master who soloed over a hundred veteran madalorians in the Sack of Coruscant. [/B]
Alright, but as they're non-Force sensitive, and for a strict comparison, they automatically cannot be faster than Maul who's accelerated his speed to five times the amount of a human, yet could not even see Sidious' movements.
I don't see how they last more than half a second each, but you probably know something I don't.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Ok, but you really should have known all this from previous threads.
Originally posted by Nephthys
True, but this was Nox in Act 1 of the Inquisitor campaign, before they gained the power of 5 powerful force users, which hugely increase her power.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Its the norm. The Inquisitor is the master of a technique that binds spirits to her and she can access their power freely.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If you want info on Thanaton I suggest this thread and this thread.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Mostly its pwning Thanaton in TK. I'll try to recall more TK feats if I can.
Just some simple info that you may or may not know, Intrepid, Thanaton's more major feats with lightning are destroying metal with his lightning during his time as an acolyte, and as a Sith Lord his casual lightning blew up stone. His Force Lightning storm was of enough magnitude to practically tear apart the Dark Council Chamber. He could also fly with the force like a lightning-jetpack. 😄
For his regular Force Lightning, Nox simply batted it away with his hands like Dooku did to his own while fighting Yoda. Nox tanked Thanaton's Force Lightning storm pretty well, despite it's pretty massive power.
With TK he's stomped Thanaton pretty thoroughly, though, and I'm pretty sure he's canonically a Sith Sorcerer. He's put up barriers that deflected some pretty powerful lightning, and he's got 5 notable Sith Spirits at his disposal for a power source.
Nox is pretty beastly in his own right. The Wrath is just as good, really. This team's got a decent shot.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Hmm...Alright, but as they're non-Force sensitive, and for a strict comparison, they automatically cannot be faster than Maul who's accelerated his speed to five times the amount of a human, yet could not even see Sidious' movements.
I don't see how they last more than half a second each, but you probably know something I don't.
Thats not entirely true, as they could be cyborgs with enhanced reflexes and senses, or they could be utilising implants and adrenals to the same effect. Take the Voidhound from the other thread for instance, capable of dodging blaster shots fired from behind them. Non-Force sensitives do not automatically equal slow.
And as I said they've dealt with Jedi and Sith. In the Hunters case all of the fights I mention occur with the Hunter already within lightsaber striking distance. Darth Tormen once blitzed a Sith Lord who challenged him to a duel; as soon as he issued the duel Tormen 'instantly lunged forward and beheaded him.' And yet he failed to do that to the Hunter while they were similarly within arms reach.
Besides, wasn't that speed only from Maul running in a straight line? And at the time he failed to perceive Sidious he was exhausted and wounded.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Indeed. I'm behind regarding Nox, Barsen'thor and all the Dark Council members except Nyriss. I'll look up a few threads and see what I can find.
Odd, I was sure I'd discussed them with you quite a lot.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Okay. It would be fair to assume that her lightning is Malgus-level at best, and I don't think Sidious would have any problem with it.
I disagree, I don't think Sidious would just shrug off Nox's attacks. I'd put Nox comfortably at Vaders level in the Force.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
What kind of powers?
Just a general power boost. She's able to channel the combined power of herself plus 4 Sith Lords and 1 Voss Mystic into her defensive or offensive abilities.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Thanks. What I got from that was the Thanaton beat Exal Kressh (what has she done?) and cracked some stone with lightning. As I hear it, Nox beat Thanaton with telekinesis, so for it to be particularly impressive, you would have to showcase some of Thanaton's telekinetic showings.
Exal Kressh was a Child of the Emperor, embued with a portion of Vitiates power. As such she is incredibly powerful. Average Children were good fights for the Barsen'thor, showing to get hits in or push her, and their dark power 'screams' through the Force.
Thanaton has other thins than that. He's described as 'supremely powerful' and possessing of 'insurmountable strength.' His lightning cracked the stone of the floor just from hitting Nox, transforming into a swirling nexus of energy. He's also destroyed a large metal structure wit hhis lightning, a good 40 years before his peak in TOR. At the same time he displayed enough TK skill to disarm 2 guards, choke one and levitate the other at the same time. He's also able to use his lightning to fly. Lastly Thanaton was powerful enough easily break through Nox's barriers despite Nox already being amped by the power of 2 ghosts, one of which was one of the greatest sorcerers in Imperial history.
Originally posted by Intrepid37
Okay. Report back when you've done your duty.
I wasn't able to think of anything, but really owning Thanaton like she did is enough to put her way up there.
But DE Luke is probably stronger than the Wrath/Nox, but I doubt both of them together. But then you have to factor in Leia's BM, which would most likely put Luke above both. Even then Sidious was beaten in saber combat and then prepared to destroy them with Force Storm. Luke and Leia of course make it go awry and Sidious experiences one of multiple deaths.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats not entirely true, as they could be cyborgs with enhanced reflexes and senses, or they could be utilising implants and adrenals to the same effect. Take the Voidhound from the other thread for instance, capable of dodging blaster shots fired from behind them. Non-Force sensitives do not automatically equal slow.And as I said they've dealt with Jedi and Sith. In the Hunters case all of the fights I mention occur with the Hunter already within lightsaber striking distance. Darth Tormen once blitzed a Sith Lord who challenged him to a duel; as soon as he issued the duel Tormen 'instantly lunged forward and beheaded him.' And yet he failed to do that to the Hunter while they were similarly within arms reach.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Besides, wasn't that speed only from Maul running in a straight line?
Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter
Maul angled to the middle of the narrow avenue. His speeder bike was parked not far away; he could activate the slave circuit by remote control and have it here within a few minutes at most. But there was an even quicker way to overtake them. He called upon the Force, moving easily five times faster than a human could travel at a dead run. There was no way they could escape him now.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And at the time he failed to perceive Sidious he was exhausted and wounded.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Odd, I was sure I'd discussed them with you quite a lot.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I disagree, I don't think Sidious would just shrug off Nox's attacks.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'd put Nox comfortably at Vaders level in the Force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Just a general power boost. She's able to channel the combined power of herself plus 4 Sith Lords and 1 Voss Mystic into her defensive or offensive abilities.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Exal Kressh was a Child of the Emperor, embued with a portion of Vitiates power. As such she is incredibly powerful.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Average Children were good fights for the Barsen'thor, showing to get hits in or push her,
Originally posted by Nephthys
and their dark power 'screams' through the Force.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He's described as 'supremely powerful'
Originally posted by Nephthys
and possessing of 'insurmountable strength.'
Originally posted by Nephthys
His lightning cracked the stone of the floor just from hitting [b]Nox, transforming into a swirling nexus of energy. He's also destroyed a large metal structure wit hhis lightning, a good 40 years before his peak in TOR. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
At the same time he displayed enough TK skill to disarm 2 guards, choke one and levitate the other at the same time.
Originally posted by Nephthys
He's also able to use his lightning to fly.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lastly Thanaton was powerful enough easily break through Nox's barriers despite Nox already being amped by the power of 2 ghosts, one of which was one of the greatest sorcerers in Imperial history.