Darth Sidious vs Empire Strike Team

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Fair, but I have an extremely hard time imagining them to be faster than someone as physically trained as Maul.

Now in this scenario, we have two of these individuals (with feats on par with or better than those of Maul) working in unison along with two other (Force-user) powerhouses who can afford these two ample time to harm Sidious at leisure from safe distance.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious' own lightning is far more potent than Nox' own, and he is equipped with his lightsaber which should be sufficient.

Some examples:-

- Vitiate disarmed an entire Jedi Strike Team with his FLS, possibly destroying lightsabers of his opponents in the process.
- Exal Kressh disarmed Thanaton with a single burst of her lightning, destroying the lightsaber of her opponent in the process.
- Malgus rendered lightsaber(s) based defenses of a Jedi Master with his FLS.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm extremely skeptical of this. It might be true, but I rank Vader very high, and honestly, I'm not sure how ragdolling Thanaton is above ragdolling Kenobi, Ventress etc..?

Nox packs so much firepower that he actually represents a Strike Team of bad@sses packed into one. Nox was powerful even in natural form (like Dooku or possibly better) but significantly augmented his firepower further through unnatural ways (Hint: Sith Sorcery) by bending some of the most dangerous Sith spirits to his will and use utilize their combined might to bolster his own effectiveness.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Assuming this is the standard, that's extremely vague.

1. Effortlessely Hurled some large droids towards Thanaton like a missiles with her telekinetic abilities.
2. Comfortably destroyed/Collapsed portions of structures with her telekinetic abilities.
3. Critically damaged a "space station" with her telekinetic abilities, causing it to fall from its orbit.
3. Force-pushed Thanaton right through a column of chambers.
4. Disarmed Thanaton with just a single burst of her lightning, destroying his lightsaber in the process.
5. Effortlessly shrugged of countless pieces of glass hurled towards her by Thanaton by forming a protection bubble around her.

In addition to the aforementioned feats, she excelled in martial aspects of combat and also packed great tolerance for pain.

So I don't get the vague part at all.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So what?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I think this standard applies to almost everyone.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Force strength or physical strength?

Originally posted by Intrepid37
This is all well and good, but I'm not more impressed by Nox' manhandling of him than before.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I think we both know that this feat isn't very impressive.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It appears lightning is his speciality.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't get that. Thanaton broke through Nox' barrier easily, but then goes on to get humiliated by the latter?

Nox + combined might of deadly Sith spirits x 2 < Thanaton (a supremely powerful Sith Lord)

Nox + combined might of deadly Sith spirits x 4 or above > Thanaton

Get the memo?

Ignore function strikes again.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Fair, but I have an extremely hard time imagining them to be faster than someone as physically trained as Maul.

It isn't like Sidious is going to be constantly moving his whole body. They can still shoot at him with blasters and missiles. Even if Sidious is fast, the latter will lock on to him and heat-seek him.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Yep.

I wouldn't say that necessarily translates into how fast he can fight.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Not true.

Yes true.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Sidious' own lightning is far more potent than Nox' own, and he is equipped with his lightsaber which should be sufficient.

Again I wouldn't says Sidious' lightning was far more powerful than Nox'. As an apprentice Nox was powerful enough to completely demolish a stone pedestal with lightning. If we contrast this with say, Dooku's lightning, which only manages to chip a wall in AotC its obvious Nox's personal lightning is already very powerful. Nox is in fact more powerful than any of the ghosts she possesses seeing as at one point she defeats all of them in succession. And then Nox gets 5 Sith Lords worth of power to use to amp herself so logically her lightning should be boosted by (several?) magnitudes. I'd argue that Nox should have some of the most potent lightning in the mythos, approaching Bane and Sidious' own.

Sidious likely could block Nox's lightning with difficulty, but you forget that he'll be doing so while contending with 3 other combatants as well.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I'm extremely skeptical of this. It might be true, but I rank Vader very high, and honestly, I'm not sure how ragdolling Thanaton is above ragdolling Kenobi, Ventress etc..?

Perhaps if I just post Nox defeating Thanaton so you can judge for yourself:

YouTube video

Also I don't recall Vader ragdolling Kenobi or Ventress.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Assuming this is the standard, that's extremely vague.

Not if you take into account the thing I say after that which makes it less vague through posting a feat. But yes the Children are all imparted with the same amount of Vitiates power except for the First Son, their leader, so all of their power should be the same.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
So what?

So the Barsen'thor is one of the most powerful Jedi in history. I put her at No 4 on my top Jedi list. The Barsen'thor has thrown school bus sized chunks of metal around casually. She's smashed through a 2-story tall blast door about a meter thick with a one-hand push. And smashed through a Rakatan vault door that was said to be impenetrable. Tanked an explosion that vaporised a blast door right to her face (it destroyed the door and she was not harmed). She's so skilled and powerful as a padawan that a trandoshan believed she was the manifestation of his deity. She was more powerful than her master at the age of 4 that she was at 15. She's defeated 5 Jedi Masters and 6 Children of the Emperor. She defeated the First Son, a being imbued with Vitiates power who was able to shield the presence of hundreds of Children across the galaxy. While severely weakened through repeated use of a technique so taxing it killed the last Jedi who used it the Barsen'thor fought through a Star Destroyer of mentally-dominated and alchemy-enhanced Republic troops and defeated an Ancient Sith Lord who was drawing power from hundreds of Jedi Masters.

Being able to throw the Barsen'thor back and put them on their ass with lightning is highly impressive.

In addition I'll just repost Legends list of her feats:

She have (very) impressive feats:-

1. Effortlessely Hurled some large droids towards Thanaton like a missiles with her telekinetic abilities.
2. Comfortably destroyed/Collapsed portions of structures with her telekinetic abilities.
3. Critically damaged a "space station" with her telekinetic abilities, causing it to fall from its orbit.
3. Force-pushed Thanaton right through a column of chambers.
4. Disarmed Thanaton with just a single burst of her lightning, destroying his lightsaber in the process.
5. Effortlessly shrugged of countless pieces of glass hurled towards her by Thanaton by forming a protection bubble around her.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
lol

It speaks of their power. Despite the power of the Emperor, the Sith of the Empire or the Dread Masters when the Council feels the revealed strength of the Children its akin to a scream across the galaxy.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I think this standard applies to almost everyone.

Not really. At the least it indicates that he is a hugely powerful Sith. I mean, he was a Dark Council Member and thus one of the most powerful Sith in the Empire. Imagine someone pwning Kit Fisto or Kenobi with ease. Except that while those two are duelists, Thanaton is a Force specialist.

I'd compare it to someone contemptibly owning Dooku with the Force myself. Surely such a feat would elevate them to the upper echelons of the Sith.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
Force strength or physical strength?

Force strength.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
This is all well and good, but I'm not more impressed by Nox' manhandling of him than before.

That's your business. I cannot force you to accept Thanatons power. I've laid out the facts and argued them as eloquently as effort allows. If its not convincing to you I'm not bothered.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I think we both know that this feat isn't very impressive.

I would say its a good feat of skill with telekinesis

Originally posted by Intrepid37
It appears lightning is his speciality.

I would say so. Lightning and sorcery. He defeats Nox the first time with a ritual he's able to use off the cuff.

Originally posted by Intrepid37
I don't get that. Thanaton broke through Nox' barrier easily, but then goes on to get humiliated by the latter?

Nox was still developing as a Force User and hadn't reached her peak yet. And theres the fact that Nox only possessed 2 ghosts at the time, as opposed to the 5 she possessed in their final battle. The fact that Thanaton was still able to easily break through her barrier though is hugely impressive and indicative of Thanatons place as one of the most powerful Sith in Imperial history. I'll just repost my previous argument with regards to this feat:

YouTube video

15.30. Note that at this time Nox was already a powerful Sith able to beat Khem Val ("Powerful, cunning and ruthless enough to slay even the strongest Force users" + "A near-perfect killing machine"😉, kill Terentateks, killed a Sith Lord with her Force power drained from her and shatter stone with lightning and was amped by the power of 2 Sith Lords (one of which was one of the greatest Sorcerers in the history of the Empire and another had slain hundreds of sith who trespassed in his tomb) already. And Thanaton kills her in 5 seconds.

Oh and btw, when I said this:

"In addition I'll just repost Legends list of her feats:

She have (very) impressive feats:-

1. Effortlessely Hurled some large droids towards Thanaton like a missiles with her telekinetic abilities.
2. Comfortably destroyed/Collapsed portions of structures with her telekinetic abilities.
3. Critically damaged a "space station" with her telekinetic abilities, causing it to fall from its orbit.
3. Force-pushed Thanaton right through a column of chambers.
4. Disarmed Thanaton with just a single burst of her lightning, destroying his lightsaber in the process.
5. Effortlessly shrugged of countless pieces of glass hurled towards her by Thanaton by forming a protection bubble around her."

I was talking about Exal Kressh. Not the Barsen'thor.

Does Sidious know they're coming?

No. The first he knows of them is when they walk in. No amping or prep for either team.

He opens up a can of Force storm-grade whoopass.

Ok.

No because mere Skywalkers working in harmony cut off Palpatine's connection to the storm.

DE Sidious is weaksauce.

This isn't DE Sids. If the Force storm Temp said was the Wormhole kind and not the other kind which is dumb because having two techniques with the same name is confusing, then none of that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
This isn't DE Sids. If the Force storm Temp said was the Wormhole kind and not the other kind which is dumb because having two techniques with the same name is confusing, then none of that.

Yeah, I meant the wormhole one. I do my best to not capitalize these powers like LeGenD does. I firmly believe that formally naming Force powers is really, really stupid.

Apparently, in-universe, it really is "move object." lolwtf

Which incarnation of Sidious is this, then? You said "all his power," so I'm assuming it's peak!Sidious.

Why do you keep calling Darth Nox a she?

Because we think of her as a she.

Originally posted by SJones91109
Why do you keep calling Darth Nox a she?

My Nox is a female zabrak. Also cuz the female voice is better and sexier than the male one.

Neph has this stupid, liberal/hippie idea that women are people too.

They may be subhuman, but they're definitely not sith lords.

Of course not.

They're often irrational, sadistic, violent, and prone to brutal mood swings.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure which group to which this description better applies.

Black people?

Wow, way to be insensitive and generalize an entire group of people.

yep

kill them now