Darth Sidious vs Empire Strike Team

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Neph, because Kenobi is a force user, and can use the force to resist being taken out instantly, whether he fails to in the end or not. The point is, he has the force to fight off being killed instantly. A non force user doesn't.

Theres no difference between failing to resist having your necks snapped and failing to have your wind pipe closed. In both cases his opponent is piercing his Force defenses and freely manipulating his body. Again, If Dooku has the power to get through Kenobi's defenses and lift him off the ground and throw him, then logically he should be able to twist hi neck around. Obi-Wan cannot stop him from doing the former, theres no reason he should be able to prevent him from doing that latter.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Again, If Dooku has the power to get through Kenobi's defenses and lift him off the ground and throw him, then logically he should be able to twist hi neck around.

Agreed so far.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Obi-Wan cannot stop him from doing the former, theres no reason he should be able to prevent him from doing that latter.

Only if Dooku breached his Force defense via brute force a la Bane and Qordis. If Dooku simply caught him off guard, it's possible for Obi-Wan to react at the last instant to save his neck.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Hardly. I'm asking you for proof that they're capable of resisting his telekinetic attacks or quick enough to distract him from getting one off.

I don't have to, quan. It's reasonable to infer that he can, given his telekinetic feats.

Which I've done by pointing out that they've done it in the past.

Oh no motherfvcker, you wanted to play this game, well I can play it too. You're refusing to accept my arguments for why we can infer it and asking for explicit proof that they can stop him from doing it so I'm gona be a douche too and ask for explicit proof that Sidious can snap someones neck.

Prove it.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
Only if Dooku breached his Force defense via brute force a la Bane and Qordis. If Dooku simply caught him off guard, it's possible for Obi-Wan to react at the last instant to save his neck.

True, but since Dooku has him lifted off the ground for a good 3 seconds that should be enough time for Kenobi's Jedi reflexes to allow him to start resisting.

Also as I said Maul was choking him out for a good amount of time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Which I've done by pointing out that they've done it in the past.

You've proven that they can survive Force pushes and dodge projectiles. Not once have I contested that.

What I am skeptical of is their ability to defend, resist, blunt, mitigate, or otherwise prevent Sidious from lifting them bodily and breaking necks, snapping spines, crushing rib cages, or using them as projectiles against Nox and the Wrath.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Oh no motherfvcker, you wanted to play this game, well I can play it too. You're refusing to accept my arguments for why we can infer it and asking for explicit proof that they can stop him from doing it so I'm gona be a douche too and ask for explicit proof that Sidious can snap someones neck.

Prove it.

No, your 'argument' was that they've beaten telekinetics before, ergo they can stop Sidious from popping them like champagne corks.

That does not follow. Sidious, with his wide array of telekinetic feats, has demonstrated the skill and power necessary to accomplish something as pedestrian as breaking the necks of two Muggles.

Originally posted by Nephthys
True, but since Dooku has him lifted off the ground for a good 3 seconds that should be enough time for Kenobi's Jedi reflexes to allow him to start resisting.

And maybe he was resisting, keeping Dooku from breaking his neck. Remember, Dooku is more powerful than Obi-Wan, but perhaps not to the degree that he was confident of his ability to try and crush him outright in such a desperate scenario with a powerful enemy at his back.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Also as I said Maul was choking him out for a good amount of time.

In "The Lawless," you mean? He was disoriented by the crash.

No, in "The Sith Hunters" comic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, in "The Sith Hunters" comic.

Oh, yeah.

Well Maul says he's gonna do it slowly.

Originally posted by The_Tempest
No doubt that in a scripted story, a Muggle like Cad Bane or Jace Malcom can threaten, seriously injure, or kill a Jedi or Sith.

But unless otherwise noted, a talented Jedi and Sith has the power to just reach out and break them in half before that happens.

We have to ultimately go with what's on paper. And on-paper, the guys equipped with a wide array of telepathic, telekinetic, and other Force-related powers and generally possess superhuman speed, reflexes, and strength are going to beat the shit out of a gunslinger.

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Unreal, Sidious can blitz some of the greatest Jedi swordsman in history with his blade, but cannot dismiss a bounty hunter and a spy with a gesture on the basis that they survived against Malgus? Give me a ****ing break. Sidious demolishes them and then mid-high diffs the rest.

Nice response. It really captured your argument.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nice response. It really captured your argument.

You still bother with him? Lol

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unreal, Sidious can blitz some of the greatest Jedi swordsman in history with his blade, but cannot dismiss a bounty hunter and a spy with a gesture on the basis that they survived against Malgus? Give me a ****ing break. Sidious demolishes them.

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Their survival against Malgus was PIS anyway. 😉

Through my mighty OP powers, I declare that it was not and in the fight with Malgus they contributed immensely.

Such is the Word of Nephthys!

Originally posted by SJones91109
You still bother with him? Lol

Hey Neph next time you want to talk to yourself consult a shrink.

Thats Beefy, not me. Lol.

He's easily confused.

Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Unreal, Sidious can blitz some of the greatest Jedi swordsman in history with his blade, but cannot dismiss a bounty hunter and a spy with a gesture on the basis that they survived against Malgus?

Originally posted by Nephthys

... I'm gona be a douche too and ask for explicit proof that Sidious can snap someones neck.

Prove it.

"Choke: A telekinetic grip, which when centered on an enemiy's neck can pinch off airflow and snap vertebrae. This requires more concentration than the
Push... " (Bane)
"A true master of this art can burst a walker's fuel tank, or buckle the hull of a star cruiser." (Palpatine)
It's on page 90 in Book of Sith. Since it's Palpatine saying it, and inferring from his other abilities, there doesn't seem to be any reason for him to make this up. Snapping necks wouldn't be difficult at all.