Batman without gadjets vs 50 thugs

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
When you have a human who not only knows, but is an expert, in 127 different martial arts (something some people take a whole lifetime to achieve) plus multiple degrees from the finest universities in various different subjects, plus the physical ability and time to train in order to bench over 1000lbs routinely (as I said before, his 1 rep max will be even higher), plus the ability to take time out to host fundraising parties, and take an active role in his business from the shadows.....AND then on top of that, fight crime every night, AND still find time for dinner, sleeping, JLA alien incursions etc....you come back to me and tell me a mere human in the real world is capable of doing all this, everyday, for years.

i am sorry that does not make any sense at all.
all the things you just mentioned can be applied to any street leveler in marvel universe, so now all street levelers are super human? makes no sense.

Originally posted by jitay
Calling me butthurt... It doesn't work like that

I called you whiny cos you are but I respect your competently misguided attempt to use real world logic to this sort of sitch

whats not working is you trying to diss someone without anything to back you up.
then after i shove your nose into your childish mistakes, which dont even hold a candle to both truth or reason, you resort into quoting other people because you cant even form an argument of your own.
in other words if your argument is flawed and you dont even know what you are doing , dont try to be an a$$ because you will only get spanked.

Originally posted by wolverinos
i am sorry that does not make any sense at all.
all the things you just mentioned can be applied to any street leveler in marvel universe, so now all street levelers are super human? makes no sense.

All? Since when did Daredevil/Cap etc suddenly become masters in 127 martial arts? Are CEOs of their own business? Hold multiple degrees in different disciplines, as well as know how to fluently speak multiple languages? All at the same time as holding down a double life as a party goer (so imagine all the partying Paris Hilton does - now imagine she still finds time to fight crime every night on top of her party image). Are you saying in the real world, there exists these kind of people?

Originally posted by wolverinos
so wait a second, you are showing me some swollen up guy that lifts a lot and then you try to imply that this big fat blob is a peak human? again whats the definition of a peak human? a peak human is the peak a human being can ever achieve.
what this big guy achieved as far as his lifting is not what a human being can achieve, thats what he as an individual can achieve.

you are putting this guys achievements as they are the best any human being can achieve, tommorow someone will break his record and so on and so on, thats the way things work, there isnt a clear definition to that.
however there is a clear boundry which no human can supress which is lifting 2 tons or so for example or even a ton, not bench pressing but lifting.

as i explained earlier batman is indeed doing what ever a peak human should be able to do, nothing that he did is some kind of super human ability.
you show batman break cuffs? guess what? real humans can do that and even plenty of guys just search the web for videos.
bending some kind of pole? Lol thousands of people can perform more impressive feats than that.
you wana go real life records vs batman? how about guys dragging trucks? how about guys actually ripping off pieces of metal with their bare hands? twisting solid metal?
as i explained before batman doesnt do anything that really can be considered above anything a human can dream to do.
and as i said before when he went up against someone who is slightly in the super human category we saw a big gap which clearly showed us batman is no where at the super human category and not even at enhanced category.
hell freakin bane is at enhanced category when he is on venom and its perfectly clear as daylight that bane on venom is physically superior to batman by miles.
bane with no venom is batmans equal at stats and bane without venom is high athletic - peak human category.

so basically as i said earlier i will say again, batman does not have the stats to take out 50 guys attacking him at once.

Again, you misunderstand me. Sure, there are people stronger (the truck draggers, ripping metal apart etc). There are people faster (Usain Bolt, etc). There are probably people better at business dealings (Bill Gates, Warren Buffet). There are people who party harder (P Diddy, etc).

There isn't ANYONE in reality, who is faster, AND stronger, AND better at running a company, AND parties harder, than the comic book depiction of Bruce. Which is why, he does not exist in the real world. And that is why, trying to apply real world stats is useless, and he will beat the thugs. Because he is stronger AND at the same time, more skilled, AND at the same time, faster.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
All? Since when did Daredevil/Cap etc suddenly become masters in 127 martial arts? Are CEOs of their own business? Hold multiple degrees in different disciplines, as well as know how to fluently speak multiple languages? All at the same time as holding down a double life as a party goer (so imagine all the partying Paris Hilton does - now imagine she still finds time to fight crime every night on top of her party image). Are you saying in the real world, there exists these kind of people?

Again, you misunderstand me. Sure, there are people stronger (the truck draggers, ripping metal apart etc). There are people faster (Usain Bolt, etc). There are probably people better at business dealings (Bill Gates, Warren Buffet). There are people who party harder (P Diddy, etc).

There isn't ANYONE in reality, who is faster, AND stronger, AND better at running a company, AND parties harder, than the comic book depiction of Bruce. Which is why, he does not exist in the real world. And that is why, trying to apply real world stats is useless, and he will beat the thugs. Because he is stronger AND at the same time, more skilled, AND at the same time, faster.

what does batman having several personalities has to do with him being a super human as you claim? it just doesnt make any sense... it shows he got compressed lifestyle and he does a lot of things.... but to try and portray that as a criteria to being a super human? it doesnt make any sense at all seriously.
the reason i stated all street levelers is because they do the same thing, fight crime on street, have other personal life, so bruce is a billionare, someone is a lawyer, someone is something else.
but what does it have to do with super human abilities? Lol.

and this is exactly why batman can be considered a peak human, because he does the peak of what a human being could or should be able to do.
if all those athletes you mentioned could match him than he wouldnt be a peak human no longer he would be an average athlete.
the people you mentioned are all great but if we relate them to comics? they got athletic stats which should be below someone like batman.
however by feats overall batman doesnt represent anything that seriously could boost him up to the super human category.
by feats such as dislocating a shoulder while lifting weights or many others that clearly indicate us he is still in the human category.
or when he is matched against a low super human like deathstroke, or enhanced human like bane, and in both cases we see that batman is just inferior via stats.
all that leads us to the conclusion batman is above average and even trained human however he is under an enhanced specimen.

Hehe, glad you brought that up. I'm going to be posting how well he does against superhumans (including bane and death stroke)

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hehe, glad you brought that up. I'm going to be posting how well he does against superhumans (including bane and death stroke)

it wont change anything because any street and his grandma got those.
overall by stats and the way he is portrayed against those guys via stats he is inferior.
you can show me batman defeating bane however it wont change the facts bane on venom is superior to him by stats, same with deathstroke.

So essentially, your reasoning is to ignore what comics show, and to rely on what handbooks say they are?

A dangerous way to go. If you were to create a thread saying that, I guarantee people will dogpile you, and they wouldn't be as polite as I've been....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So essentially, your reasoning is to ignore what comics show, and to rely on what handbooks say they are?

A dangerous way to go. If you were to create a thread saying that, I guarantee people will dogpile you, and they wouldn't be as polite as I've been....

no, my reasoning is to ignore the fact batman defeated a class 100 brick and to accept the fact that even though he won via PIS because he is freakin batman, he is inferior by stats overall.
if you show me batman beating bane on venom does it change the fact bane on venom got the higher stats?no.
you can show me batman defeating the JLA does that mean he is a class 100 persona?
this is the ABC of comics, just because the hero defeats some villian does not mean he is > that villian or anybody for that matter , thats comics for you.
by stats when batman faced slade it was made very clear slade is much faster stronger and overall better than him.
when he faced bane on venom once again it was stated very clearly that bane on venom is superior stats wise.
it is what it is, cap beats up superhumans for a living, would i put Cap above them? probably not.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Batman moves faster than any human can respond? Ok, you've gone full on delusional.

Admittedly, there are faster humans in the pre DCNu verse than that guy, but that's an example of Bruce's ridiculous reaction times and such.

But lets be honest, this isn't even a hard fight for Batman. Sure, he's got a numbers disadvantage, but he's still ridiculous. I mean, "random thugs" basically means cannon fodder, and literally all street levelers from Marvel and DC can do this on a regular basis.

In other words, for you, it's PIS, whereas in this fight, the thugs are free of PIS, and so, would win.

Amirite?

Originally posted by wolverinos

this is the ABC of comics, just because the hero defeats some villian does not mean he is > that villian or anybody for that matter , thats comics for you

But real world logic dictates he won't.

But real world logic dictates Batman can't exist, so the whole exercise is pointless.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
In other words, for you, it's PIS, whereas in this fight, the thugs are free of PIS, and so, would win.

Amirite?

you wana tell me its legit batman is beating up class 100 bricks? and my point was that even if he defeats someone it still does not mean he got the better physical stats.

Originally posted by wolverinos
you wana tell me its legit batman is beating up class 100 bricks? and my point was that even if he defeats someone it still does not mean he got the better physical stats.

How about skill, fighting experience and knowledge? Ignoring people like Deathstroke, because your thugs are nowhere near his level...

When did Bats beat up class 100 bricks, or the JLA for that natter?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How about skill, fighting experience and knowledge? Ignoring people like Deathstroke, because your thugs are nowhere near his level...

When did Bats beat up class 100 bricks, or the JLA for that natter?

he defeated half of the JLA with H2H , he actually hurt diana with H2H in that fight and took her out that actually was hilarious.
overall every street got some of those, but we need to separate those feats from the actual and real level of the character.

Scans/issue?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Scans/issue?

looking that up for you , uno momento senior.

BatGod wins, with ease. sneer

cant seem to find it but i will keep searching, as i remember he fought martian manhunter and diana and hurt them.
aside of that batman has many feats of actually physically giving diana trouble and that was explained the result of his skills...

anyway i found this scan though, the purpose is not to disrespect batman or start lowballing him but to show things as they are.
you think something like that would happen to slade? or bane on venom? or Cap? this showing is very accurate and shows us while batman is a very high level in stats he is still in the human category.
as batman claims himself thats 630 pounds, someone who is enhanced like wolverine or bane would easily handle that weight.

Originally posted by wolverinos
cant seem to find it but i will keep searching, as i remember he fought martian manhunter and diana and hurt them.
aside of that batman has many feats of actually physically giving diana trouble and that was explained the result of his skills...

anyway i found this scan though, the purpose is not to disrespect batman or start lowballing him but to show things as they are.
you think something like that would happen to slade? or bane on venom? or Cap? this showing is very accurate and shows us while batman is a very high level in stats he is still in the human category.
as batman claims himself thats 630 pounds, someone who is enhanced like wolverine or bane would easily handle that weight.

No offence, but that storyline was like from 1991 - more recent portrayals have him at higher. in any case, will let you continue searching for the JLA comic, because it sounds uber, and PIS.

Its not the Tower of Babel storyline, is it?

313 Kilo with ease = 690.046881 pounds