Why does all literature place Sidious as strongest sith lord?

Started by NewGuy0120 pages
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1.) Yoda's far from the most powerful Jedi in history, but he's the grandmaster and was the most powerful of his time before Anakin came into the picture. Come on, you can do better.

Yoda's also stated to the the most powerful foe the darkness has ever known. Really, this is basic stuff man.

3.)Vader: The "Ultimate" Guide was written back in 2005, and fails to take into account the fact that Darth Vader (before any of his limbs were ever severed and he became trapped in his armor) had potential in the Force to become twice as powerful as Palpatine.

And this is relevant because...?

4.) The Dark Side Sourcebook was written back in 2001. Ulic Qel-Droma wasn't even a "Sith". Palpatine's "taming" of the Dark Side still resulted in Dark-Side corruption (and not to mention that Palpatine has never succeeded in controlling a Force Storm)...and (most obviously) many other Sith characters weren't introduced yet back in 2001.

Cool story bro, it changes nothing. 😆

5.) Considering that Palpatine was the most powerful Sith of his time, of course he'd become the dark side's "most powerful" expression. All because Anakin never realized his full potential. It still fails to mention "of all time", if it really meant to say he was the most powerful Sith ever.

Didn't even mention this.

6.)The true power of the dark side comes from Death. A Sith would need to feed on the deaths of all beings that they kill in order to receive the real benefit.

Are you trying to claim that Nihilus' and Vitiate's method is the only viable one? That's laughable.

Darth Sidious:

1. He had no control over the Force storms,even if he did,that's unsuitable in a straight battle.

2. He kept in trance 20 billions of non-Force sensitives in order to consume them,Vitiate mind wiped 8000 Sith Lords+he ate the Force itself and the life-force of all the people on Medriaas.

3. Vitiate already did that with Dromund Kaas and turned it into a powerful dark side nexus,equal to Byss if you read about Dromund Kaas.

Also Sidious' experiments and rituals did that with the planet,too.

4.Sidious clouded the vision of the Jedi over the years,not in instant.

5. One powerful ability(Force lightning) that he mastered doesn't make him *the most powerful Sith Lord forever and ever*,otherwise I could claim Nihilus is then *The Most Powerful Sith Lord* because of his "Breach in the Force" ability.

6. He desintegrated armored stormtroopers,who were non-Force sensitives,and couldn't even defend against a Force power,especially the famous Force lightning(But that happened on Byss,right?).

7.He is also mentioned as strong when he *defeated* Galen,that guy barely redirected a Star Destroyer,but move it... lol

8. He might have mind-whooped Coruscant's citizens,but great... Again,another bunch of non-Force sensitives,who cannot defend against a Force power,especially when they are *taken by suprise*.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Yoda's also stated to the the most powerful foe the darkness has ever known. Really, this is basic stuff man.

Really,I thought Luke was the most powerful Jedi ever! 😉

And this is relevant because...?

Cool story bro, it changes nothing. 😆

Didn't even mention this.

Are you trying to claim that Nihilus' and Vitiate's method is the only viable one? That's laughable.

Yes it does!

[QUOTE=15298498]Originally posted by NewGuy01

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

Strongest opponent "that Yoda ever fought", simply enough. This hardly means "in history", sorry.

Vitiate's feats are detailed here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/emperor-vitiate-respect-thread/97466/

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
[QUOTE=15298498]Originally posted by NewGuy01

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

Strongest opponent "that Yoda ever fought", simply enough. This hardly means "in history", sorry.

lolwut...

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

This quote is sooo ambiguous.

I think it means political power tbh.

Originally posted by Stigma
This quote is sooo ambiguous.

I think it means political power tbh.

Finally one gets it.

You sir, you have just earned a cookie!

And you have this also:

"The Sith have waited millennium for the birth of one who is powerful enough to return them from hiding. Darth Sidious is that one—the Sith's revenge on the Jedi order for having nearly eradicated the practitioners of the dark side of the Force."
--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

Which "powerful" means "capable",and when you do that... This means,as you said,political power,mass manipulation,allies,alliances,wealth... All the necessary means to take over the galaxy.

😄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vitiate's feats are detailed here: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/emperor-vitiate-respect-thread/97466/

As I said,I don't agree with Jedi/Sith Most powerful,because Star Wars is practically a grand story with potential Force users on both sides stronger than *Sidious*,Vitiate,Nihilus,Exar Kun...etc...

For me stating "X"-most powerful Force user/Jedi/Sith fails to apply in EU,since EU it is infinite,and doesn't lack of creativity!

Even so... Quotes about Sidious we have only that sets them 1000 years before him...

Which means he is the best of the Banite Sith,not necessarly in raw Force power,but the *Banite* Sith's goal,taking over the galaxy within.

Also Sidious has never been compared in prowess or power with the ancient Sith or the Old Republic Sith!

Heck,Kas'Im knew all the seven lightsaber forms and he was still owned by Bane... The Seven Dark Jedi were better with a lightsaber than Kyle,and they were still owned...

So it would seem that knowing many lightsaber forms,means nothing.

Stop while you're behind.

These are would seen those quotes that make Sidious *Teh Ubezt Sith*

Vader imagined the power that could be his if he crushed Palpatine and established his own rule over the Empire. But first, he would need his own apprentice. By himself, he could not hope to defeat the most powerful Sith Lord the galaxy had ever known.
--Taken from Vader: The Ultimate Guide

1.So we clearly speak from Darth Vader's point of view who has no idea about Exar Kun,Vitiate,Nihilus to form a true perception about raw Force power,heck it even says "Vader:The Ultimate Guide".

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.
--Taken from The New Essential Chronology

It says "in history",which translated gets as "at this moment",also you got another thing that he never fought another Sith Lord,except Tyranus. So just as Sigma said,it could mean as "political power".

Beyond the vision of the Jedi Knights, somewhere within the darkness, the greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power bides his time. As his strength grows, his plans begin to shape the course of the galaxy, and his snares await the unsuspecting.
--Taken from The Complete Visual Dictionary

"The greatest master of evil ever to use Sith power" does not make any indication of how powerful Palpatine really was compared to many past Sith Lords. Also, keep in mind that the Complete Visual Dictionary was released back in 2006. Hardly recent.

When Yoda crosses sabers with the movie's arch-villain, he doesn't launch into a pinwheeling display of acrobatics, as he did against Count Dooku in Episode II. Instead, Yoda faces the dark side's fury, channeled by the most powerful Sith Lord in history. "Rob Coleman wanted Yoda to feel the power of his enemy," says Wheless, "like a force he's never dealt with before."
--Taken from Insider #86: Yoda's Right Arm

Neither Rob Coleman and "Wheless" were responsible for Insider #86, which was also written in 2006. Rob Coleman worked for Industrial Light & Magic on both Episodes II & III, neither of which were (of course) part of the Expanded Universe.

Darth Sidious proved to be the grim culmination of a thousand years of Sith philosophy and teachings.
--Taken from Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force

It clearly says a thousand of years,so yeah,only the Banite Sith,and it mentions anothing about power,only that he had the greatest knowledge in comparision with them.

When the Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered—in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane—only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strength of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge.
--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

So it clearly states that Sidious is the best just of the Banite Sith... Strange how it mentions besides *his strength* in the Force also the Sith artifacts,equipment and knowledge... So it is much more that his personal Sith power for his achievements.

Unknown to the Rebels, the Emperor had already laid the groundwork for the perpetual rule of his New Order. He had turned a Jedi into his new dark apprentice, the terrifying Darth Vader. Vader himself trained apprentices. And the Emperor created a corps of loyal, Force-skilled minions to maintain his rule. Most powerful of all, of course, was the Emperor himself.
--Taken from The Dark Side Sourcebook

A crystal clear comparision just between him and his Force sensitive subjects.

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
[QUOTE=15298498]Originally posted by NewGuy01

Yoda went after Palpatine in the empty Senate chamber, but could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history.

Strongest opponent "that Yoda ever fought", simply enough. This hardly means "in history", sorry.

This is still probably the dumbest shit I've read on KMC.

It says plain as day Yoda could not defeat the most powerful Sith Lord in history, and your retort is that it means the most powerful that Yoda ever fought and hardly means in history...

You are either trolling or are missing half of your skull from an accident.

You forgot to mention Nadd but Palpatine didn't turn Byss into a dark side nexus nor did he mind control its population by himseplf. He needed the help of his Dark side adepts to accomplish the transformation of Byss, his DS adepts number over 600. They also did that in over 20 years and mind controlled only groups of people rather than mind controlling all 20 billion at once. Also since those groups where on Byss it weakened them as well and made it easier for Palpy and his Adepts to perform their DS powers on them.

Palpatine is King Ommin level. Both affected an entire planet by tapping into the DS energies that were channeled their by his and adepts actions.

I need a source for the all of that part.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

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Palpatine is King Ommin level.

Byss was already a DS nexus btw thanks to the Rakata empires actions. So Palpy and his adepts being the cause of Byss transformation is probably retconnd now.

Here's something I'll mention:

I count Sidious and Clone Palpatine as two separate characters. Post-death, his power level is different, and his motives and style change. He's changed so much, that I think the clone process really had an effect on him.

That doesn't make any sense at all, considering they are the exact same person in every way. He essence transfers into the new body, ergo it's the same character, regardless of your feelings on the matter.