Why does all literature place Sidious as strongest sith lord?

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That doesn't make any sense at all, considering they are the exact same person in every way. He essence transfers into the new body, ergo it's the same character, regardless of your feelings on the matter.

They're not the same in every way. Clone wants to drain all life in the galaxy. Clone used groups of force users openly. Original was willing to die to a superior apprentice and was quite proud at the idea of making one stronger than him, Clone wished to live forever and had no intention of making an apprentice stronger than him. Clone ditched any facade of subtlety.

Bare minimum, I think he became unhinged upon his return.

I mean, it's worth remembering the clones were *sabotaged*, causing degradation, which may have had mental effects.

Lumiya would agree with Q99, but then again, she's not necessarily the authority on the matter.

As a wise man once said, "Death has a curious way of reshuffling one's priorities." I'm sure dying and returning to life for the first time would no doubt be a pretty monumental life-changing experience. Plus, with the Galaxy relatively out from under his yoke, subtlety may not work as well the second time around.

Why does all literature place Sidious as strongest Sith Lord?

Because. He. Is. 😐

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Lumiya would agree with Q99, but then again, she's not necessarily the authority on the matter.

As a wise man once said, "Death has a curious way of reshuffling one's priorities." I'm sure dying and returning to life for the first time would no doubt be a pretty monumental life-changing experience. Plus, with the Galaxy relatively out from under his yoke, subtlety may not work as well the second time around.

How subtle is the galaxy for Bane when he's died so many times??

PARADOX?!

Original was willing to die to a superior apprentice

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Originally posted by Q99
They're not the same in every way. Clone wants to drain all life in the galaxy. Clone used groups of force users openly. Original was willing to die to a superior apprentice and was quite proud at the idea of making one stronger than him, Clone wished to live forever and had no intention of making an apprentice stronger than him. Clone ditched any facade of subtlety.

Bare minimum, I think he became unhinged upon his return.

I mean, it's worth remembering the clones were *sabotaged*, causing degradation, which may have had mental effects.

Well technically the Luke stuff happened after his original death...

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Literally none of this matters because it is still the exact same person. If I suffer a severe brain injury tomorrow that makes me a vegetable, I would still be me. My character may change, but I would still be that character. There's also a lot of evidence that even before death, Palpatine never planned on actually training Luke to kill him.

What kind of vegetable?

Spinach, easy.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well technically the Luke stuff happened after his original death...

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Literally none of this matters because it is still the exact same person. If I suffer a severe brain injury tomorrow that makes me a vegetable, I would still be me. My character may change, but I would still be that character. There's also a lot of evidence that even before death, Palpatine never planned on actually training Luke to kill him.

I'd still draw a definite line between pre- and post- brain damage you, though.

They may be the same spirit, but they act like different people in major respects.

Originally posted by The Merchant
You forgot to mention Nadd but Palpatine didn't turn Byss into a dark side nexus nor did he mind control its population by himseplf. He needed the help of his Dark side adepts to accomplish the transformation of Byss, his DS adepts number over 600. They also did that in over 20 years and mind controlled only groups of people rather than mind controlling all 20 billion at once. Also since those groups where on Byss it weakened them as well and made it easier for Palpy and his Adepts to perform their DS powers on them.

Thanks for reminding me that. 😄 😉

Originally posted by The Merchant
You forgot to mention Nadd but Palpatine didn't turn Byss into a dark side nexus nor did he mind control its population by himseplf. He needed the help of his Dark side adepts to accomplish the transformation of Byss, his DS adepts number over 600. They also did that in over 20 years and mind controlled only groups of people rather than mind controlling all 20 billion at once. Also since those groups where on Byss it weakened them as well and made it easier for Palpy and his Adepts to perform their DS powers on them.

Originally posted by The Merchant
Byss was already a DS nexus btw thanks to the Rakata empires actions. So Palpy and his adepts being the cause of Byss transformation is probably retconnd now.

(probably not true tho?)

Originally posted by Q99
They're not the same in every way. Clone wants to drain all life in the galaxy. Clone used groups of force users openly. Original was willing to die to a superior apprentice and was quite proud at the idea of making one stronger than him, Clone wished to live forever and had no intention of making an apprentice stronger than him. Clone ditched any facade of subtlety.

Bare minimum, I think he became unhinged upon his return.

I mean, it's worth remembering the clones were *sabotaged*, causing degradation, which may have had mental effects.

Just because he said to Yoda, "Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us.",it doesn't mean he intented to let Vader to grow *stronger*... Sure he had some back up plans to keep Anakin at his Sithistical feet.

When he said Luke,"I am unarmed,strike me down with all of your hate.",he wanted to draw him to the dark side as his new Sith ^pawn^.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Literature has ruined other Sith Lords competing with this guy, George Lucas has ruined all chances we had at making proper Versus forum, and ruined all chances at any other Sith Lord being able to compare to him. I understand it's his universe and all, but really? It was kind of a douchebag move, he knew people would be curious, and when people ask, now Mace is top because he took Sidious down in Sabers. Starkiller, one of the MOST HATED characters in Star Wars history is now considered one of the strongest, people are putting Tanks like Vitiate and Bane and even ****in Exar Kun below him, and it's just stupid, this post was made because I'm being bitchy, I know. But these are good point's. Because of Star Wars Literature and George Lucas, we can never compare Sidious with any other single Sith Lord. Maybe Sidious has made some claims to back it up but other Sith Lord's have done far more impressing things than he has in terms of sheer force power. But now everyone is all like "Hey, he knows every force ability and can create new ones on the spot" or "Oh no, you're wrong, George Lucas wins because it's universe and Sidious beats All TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLO." It's starting to get annoying knowing that we can only compare Sidious to Luke Skywalker and several other Jedi. I'd like to know your thoughts on this, guys. Do you think Sidious deserves the title, or do you think that others should've been given the title? Give a detailed explanation why Sidious should, or should not be the most powerful Sith Lord in Star Wars History. (Not that our opinion's matter, thanks to George Lucas)

(P.S. I love Star Wars EU, I just don't like the fact that they named him as strongest)

(P.S.S. Mods/Admins, feel free to move/delete this post if it isn't within the sites Jurisdiction)

By *most powerful*,Lucas and the other writers mean "most capable" or "most successful",with many allies,weapons,equipments,wealths,mass manipulation,political power..etc... 😄 😛

Originally posted by Nephthys

(probably not true tho?)

I thought you didn't have an anti-Sheev agenda, Neph? mmm

I have an anti-you agenda.

But why? 😬

Because you let Rin die.

Why do you hate me and Sheev so much, Neph?

Well you are both assholes who are very easy to hate. But mostly a healthy sense of competition.