Barriss Offee vs The Grand Champion of the Great Hunt

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Did the Battlemaster apply TK to conclusively knock The Champ out? No, then it wasn't a straight fight; the Battlemaster was being restrained in his efforts to LOLstomp the Champ. Also, that title is retarded.

Barriss Offee solos while doing floating meditation.

How would he conclusively knock the Champ out? Most of the fight occurs in gameplay, so we don't know if he did or did not attempt to incapacitate the Champ with the Force.

The Champ wins while banging his asian schoolgirl companion.

Originally posted by Nephthys
How would he conclusively knock the Champ out? Most of the fight occurs in gameplay, so we don't know if he did or did not attempt to incapacitate the Champ with the Force.

Concession accepted.

The Champ wins while banging his asian schoolgirl companion.

So he's a pedo and a muggle?

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Concession accepted.

I concede nothing, mortal. What makes you think the Champ can be so easily defeated by TK? Whats he going to do, throw things at him, or throw him at stuff? The BH has heavy armor packed with defense systems, whats that gonna do? Plus Jarro was renowned for smashing Mando's with TK and he still lost to the Champion.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
So he's a pedo and a muggle?

You become public enemy number one at the end of Act II for a reason. 😉

(naw, she just looks and sounds like a teenager)

Originally posted by Nephthys
I concede nothing, mortal. What makes you think the Champ can be so easily defeated by TK? Whats he going to do, throw things at him, or throw him at stuff? The BH has heavy armor packed with defense systems, whats that gonna do? Plus Jarro was renowned for smashing Mando's with TK and he still lost to the Champion.

You become public enemy number one at the end of Act II for a reason. 😉

(naw, she just looks and sounds like a teenager)

Barriss brought down a metal girder on Ahsoka in a split second.

She crumples the Champ's helmet or rips out his implant. GG.

No she didn't. 😬

She pulled over a metal sheet at the start of the fight which LMAO if that means she can crush a freaking durasteel helmet. shocklaugh

And ripping out implants is way too precise to do in midbattle. Plus she doesn't even know he has it or where it is.

Watch the fight again bro. She totally did.

Also, if you can't sense implants with the Force, this would boggle my mind, considering a neophyte Luke Skywalker sensed a remote using the Force.

That's like Force 101.

I did. I watched it again in that link you posted on the last page. The thing she does at 0.36 right?

The ****? No, he sensed its attacks with precognition. You can't sense robots with the Force, since they're non-biological and not connected to the Force in any way.

THATS Force 101.

The same you lads (Tempest and Moose) are arguing can be argued in any Force user VS any competent Muggle duel. Yet the Champ kicks Jedi ass in TOR. Even with all their telekinetic abilities, he still wins.

I don't know how this can be effectively debated, to be honest.

They think we should just ignore those wins.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Which is bizarre, given that in the books she never demonstrated such a thing. However, she does seem Soresu-esque, I have to give them that.

But now you have Maul, Sidious, Ventress, Anakin, Obi-Wan and Barriss all using dual sabers. It's becoming a gimmick.

Unfortunately yes. But I'd like to think it's because they're all just bad ass Saber duelists.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
The same you lads (Tempest and Moose) are arguing can be argued in any Force user VS any competent Muggle duel. Yet the Champ kicks Jedi ass in TOR. Even with all their telekinetic abilities, he still wins.

No one denied that he wins. No one denies that Muggles can beat Wizards. Still goes against what's on paper, which is what I argue here.

Well ok, but the thread's title is Champ VS Offee. So suck it and tell me who actually wins, plebe.

Barriss wins. Just accept it.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
Well ok, but the thread's title is Champ VS Offee. So suck it and tell me who actually wins, plebe.

Told you already: Barriss.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Barriss wins. Just accept it.

NEVER.

And Temp, you said you didn't deny the Champ'd win.

OBEY.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
NEVER.

And Temp, you said you didn't deny the Champ'd win.

Should have clarified: no one denies the Champ wins against Force users in the game.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
OBEY.

DON'T WANNA.

So, you're saying he just wins against Wizards in-game, then, because 'on paper' it's not logical?

No, the argument is this:

IF telekinesis cannot be defended against, THEN it seems unreasonable to assume that muggles win except when a Force user has Plot Induced Force Restraint and the director/author employs Rule of Cool versus cold hard reason.

Originally posted by Col. Valerian
DON'T WANNA.

So, you're saying he just wins against Wizards in-game, then, because 'on paper' it's not logical?

I'm saying that Muggles win against Force users despite almost always having an on-paper disadvantage.

Grievous kills Force users left and right despite the fact that they should be able to raise a hand and bash the holy bejesus out of him against any hard surface until there's nothing left but warped, tangled metal. (We see Jedi and Sith Force push him throughout CW, TCW, and ROTS.)

In other words, Muggle victories generally owe to scripting, plot contrivance, or other narrative tools to heighten tension and preempt the creation of a Boring Invincible Hero.

But here, I argue what a character is generally accepted as being capable of and then it comes down to odds. Lumiya embarrassed Luke three times throughout LOTF.

But in a versus thread, I'd say he'd crush her like the tin can she is and rightly so.

TL;DR: Because we're not rp'ing the fight or writing it and instead coming to conclusions based on how characters' abilities compare against one another, I'm almost always going to side with the Wizard versus the Muggle.

(Barring favorable context in the thread.)