Originally posted by zopzop
There's a reason writers make Surfer fight like a moron "in character", because if he fought to the best of his abilities, it would take a skyfather level being to stop him.Surfer wins.
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If the Surfer is functioning with no self restraint and utilizing his power to its utmost potential, he essentially becomes a mini Cube Being and wrecks havok on everyone on this list...
I love Thor to death, but I really feel that is both characters pull out all the stops and dont hold back on one another, the Surfer will dominate him...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I didn't make that up:
Loki's a very observant kid. 🙂
Also, he said weaker. Surfer being more powerful then Thor is pretty silly based on the evidence we have imho, but if he's referring to physical might, that is just outright nonsense.
What Loki said notwithstanding, that scene is evidence of extreme caution due to a lack of knowledge and sense of possible danger and certainly not some implicit indication of power inferiority. That's a very important distinction to make when talking about scared as it originally came off like you suggesting surfer being scared due to being somehow less.
Moreover surfer being more powerful than Thor is not outrageous at all unless we use a very selective definition of the word. I agree he isn't physically stronger though I'd say he is more durable on average
Originally posted by Naija boy
What Loki said notwithstanding, that scene is evidence of extreme caution due to a lack of knowledge and sense of possible danger and certainly not some implicit indication of power inferiority. That's a very important distinction to make when talking about scared as it originally came off like you suggesting surfer being scared due to being somehow less.Moreover surfer being more powerful than Thor is not outrageous at all unless we use a very selective definition of the word. I agree he isn't physically stronger though I'd say he is more durable on average
I was mostly kidding, but I'd argue that yes, Mjolnir, came off as an object beyond Surfer in this scene.
It's not outrageous, but it is somewhat silly. You may disagree, but that's just what the evidence points to. Maybe, probably. Thor may be quicker to get injured, but he'd be the last one standing imho.
Originally posted by zopzopI think this is an unfair over-generalization. And one that is widespread.
There's a reason writers make Surfer fight like a moron "in character", because if he fought to the best of his abilities, it would take a skyfather level being to stop him.Surfer wins.
What exactly has Surfer done over the past 10 years of fights that can be considered moronic?
Originally posted by vince_slice
Hmm that's a good speed feat for Mjolnir, but keep in mind Surfer's power level was tethered to the Earth by Galactus. The further away from Earth, the weaker he gets. So not surprising he had a bit of trouble keeping up with Mjolnir at the end.
Maybe, but there was no indication that he was getting any weaker yet.
Also, does he still have that weakness? I ask because I legitimately cannot recall it ever being brought up again. I wonder if the new Surfer series will address it? My gut feeling tells me that 10 years from now, this shit will still be brought up.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I was mostly kidding, but I'd argue that yes, Mjolnir, came off as an object beyond Surfer in this scene.It's not outrageous, but it is somewhat silly. You may disagree, but that's just what the evidence points to. Maybe, probably. Thor may be quicker to get injured, but he'd be the last one standing imho.
Nah not in any substantive way
And nope not silly at all I don't think. Where you see evidence pointing one way, I see it pointing in the opposite direction...heh though that's not unexpected.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Nah not in any substantive wayAnd nope not silly at all I don't think. Where you see evidence pointing one way, I see it pointing in the opposite direction...heh though that's not unexpected.
Well, at least we know Surfer can't do shit with his Power Cosmic to move the hammer. And that it can reach Thor in areas that even Surfer cannot follow.
You really think the evidence supports Surfer being more powerful? Like, are you talking about Surfer blowing up a planet or is there some encounter I'm legit unaware of?
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Well, at least we know Surfer can't do shit with his Power Cosmic to move the hammer. And that it can reach Thor in areas that even Surfer cannot follow.You really think the evidence supports Surfer being more powerful? Like, are you talking about Surfer blowing up a planet or is there some encounter I'm legit unaware of?
Almost no one under skyfather can move the hammer...not too bothered by that.
And yes quite frankly I do. I think that Thor probably has a marginally higher localized offensive energy output with the godblast and such but that is certainly not all encompassing or exhaustive in a discussion of power. Hence the reason I specified that your definition of power likely affects your conception of this. I think surfer has a wider range of power applications with his matter and energy manip abilities, is much faster, and is more durable. All of which I think count very much towards the conception of "power".
