Originally posted by janus77
****it, IM uses the time platform that SHIELD has (he breaks in, as is his wont), to go back in time during that week's prep and kill The Joker before he kills Batman's parents.Then he returns to the present to ask Bruce Wayne what his current excuse is for being such a miserable and shady bastard?
Then he kills Wayne, just because he obviously always could.
Removing yourself from the time stream would be self BFR imo. Batman has time to build anything he can think of with assistance from Flash and Martian Manhunter. And Joker didn't kill Batman's parents. -_-
Originally posted by Tony Stark
I find it absolutely laughable that Bruce is being portrayed as the only option to save DCU prepping and Tony is looking at his scribbled doodlings in between drinks and in mid strokes with his latest Top Model conquest prepping.Tony has out prepped Reed, Doom, Mags, The Hanks Pym/McCoy, BP and Kang etc... etc... etc...
He's beaten SS, Doom, Mags, Kang, HULK and SENTRY with that prep etc... etc... etc...
Bruce is out of his league against Tony sorry. Prepping for Street levelers isn't the same as prepping for Heralds.
Tony wins 9.5/10
Fanboyism at it's finest. 😆
Originally posted by Odekahn
Removing yourself from the time stream would be self BFR imo. Batman has time to build anything he can think of with assistance from Flash and Martian Manhunter. And Joker didn't kill Batman's parents. -_-
When did this become Batman, Flash and Martian Manhunter vs Iron-man?
Cant Bruce just hire an engineer in the DC universe, with his boatloads of money, who is intellectually equivalent or near equivelent to Tony Stark. Bruce doesnt have to be as smart as stark to get sum powerful weapons - and dont tell me there isnt a possibility that an engineer as skilled as Stark exists in the DC universe
Originally posted by Firefly218
I dont think Tony needs to, but the point is that Bats can come up with just about anything in his prep with his resources, including the firepower required to keep up with stark
Great, you realize that you just admitted that Batman needs outside help to match Tony's tech?
Originally posted by Naija boy
This suggestion that batman somehow wins via superior strategy and tactics despite being exceedingly outgunned by a similarly smart and prepping opponent is absolutely nonsensical. And that is why the arguments in his favor so far amount to wishful thinking that assumes that Tony will just be twiddling his thumbs while batman is prepping. People are seriously bringing up the number of martial arts that Bruce knows and how he would beat tony in a fight without the suit as if this somehow adds to the preponderance of evidence in his favor. It's asinine.Tony has Bruce immensely outgunned in terms of tech,firepower and overall resources. He is no slouch at strategy either and certainly not retarded enough to squander the aforementioned immense advantages.
You are on wrong on several points.
• Your classification of "similarly smart" is a flawed over generalization.They are similarly smart in the sense of technology and science, but not when it comes to a mental game of chess. Batman has in addition: Psychology, Detective Work, Surroundings utilization, Paranoia, Anticipation Skills to the point of almost precog, and is a master of contingency.
• Bruce isn't outgunned. If it were standard gear only, then yes he would be outgunned, but Batman easily has access to advanced technology from Superman's Fortress. Phantom Zone Weaponry shouldn't be underestimated.
• The reason Bruce >Tony hand to hand is important is in the event any of Batman's plans involve exposing Ironman's dependency on his tech.
Technology isn't everything in a prep fight.
In my argument, Bruce is more meticulous, detailed, strategic, and stubborn in his prep. Bruce is a tactical mastermind and miles ahead of Tony in terms of strategy. I also mentioned that Bruce doesnt have to be as technologically inclined as Stark to get powerful weapons, considering he has the resources
Obviously Batman's no challenge whatsoever, to IronMan, but who in DC might be up to the task?
Luthor seems more "wacky" than intelligent, and constructs like Brainiac are just too amped for Stark so...
Batman's just Captain America with a better costume, more money and a slightly higher I.Q.
And from the 'defence' that's being produced of the absurd notion that Batman could win the prep scenario, "because he'll find a way", it's clear that his champions aren't even remotely confident that he has a shot - or else they'd actually posit something serious and acceptable in a normal vs match.
Originally posted by Odekahn
You are on wrong on several points.• Your classification of "similarly smart" is a flawed over generalization.They are similarly smart in the sense of technology and science, but not when it comes to a mental game of chess. Batman has in addition: Psychology, Detective Work, Surroundings utilization, Paranoia, Anticipation Skills to the point of almost precog, and is a master of contingency.
• Bruce isn't outgunned. If it were standard gear only, then yes he would be outgunned, but Batman easily has access to advanced technology from Superman's Fortress. Phantom Zone Weaponry shouldn't be underestimated.
• The reason Bruce >Tony hand to hand is important is in the event any of Batman's plans involve exposing Ironman's dependency on his tech.
Technology isn't everything in a prep fight.
Originally posted by Firefly218
In my argument, Bruce is more meticulous, detailed, strategic, and stubborn in his prep. Bruce is a tactical mastermind and miles ahead of Tony in terms of strategy. I also mentioned that Bruce doesnt have to be as technologically inclined as Stark to get powerful weapons, considering he has the resources
👆 yeah some people just don't get it.
Originally posted by Firefly218
In my argument, Bruce is more meticulous, detailed, strategic, and stubborn in his prep. Bruce is a tactical mastermind and miles ahead of Tony in terms of strategy. I also mentioned that Bruce doesnt have to be as technologically inclined as Stark to get powerful weapons, considering he has the resources
This arms race is ridiculous, we're about 3 minutes from midnight (LT/Spectre).
And all because you can't admit that you can't really see a way for Batman to win a prep match against IM.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Batman is overall more skilled. The argument for Tony imo =:Civilian with Rocket Lancher and Body Armor > Navy Seal with a WWII Sniper Rifle.
And all people are looking at is the weaponry without taking anything else into consideration.
Honestly, are you smoking weed?
Originally posted by janus77
"Resources", as in outside help and artefacts? Fantastic. Stark gets borrows one of Reed's Celestial killing guns, Pym's space-expanding bomb and sends Banner in the IM suit 🙂This arms race is ridiculous, we're about 3 minutes from midnight (LT/Spectre).
And all because you can't admit that you can't really see a way for Batman to win a prep match against IM.
The only factor you're taking into consideration is the arms race between Tony and Bats, there are other factors in prep that you're completely dismissing