Originally posted by DarthAnt66😆 😆 😂 😂 😆 😆
Oh my, that's the silliest thing all day...you should read the series actually, it's quite awesome.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f86/t585075.html
HoT have dealt with "impossible odds" as well (canon declaration) and made it through.
I understand that in case of Luke, we have detailed information of his abilities. However, I won't be surprised by the revelation that HoT had acquired lot of excellent talents as well, if they are canonized.
Heck, Luke's powers diminished near the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas? Hmmmm
Also, with all those (paper tiger) abilities, I wonder why the hell Luke just didn't atomize or brutally put down Lost Tribe Sith? Hmmmm
Originally posted by pencilcrayon
No, how is he on par with Luke?
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Orgus Din had Count Dooku level force abilities? Padawan Hero of Tython is solidly above Dooku? HoT on par with FOTJ Luke?
The Jedi Master destroyed this portion (additional branch) of the gigantic cave with a gesture from single hand (not is peak strength).
Originally posted by Nephthys
Din isn't on par with Dooku and while Bengal Morr does say that Padawan HoT was the strongest Jedi he's ever met, I still wouldn't put her above Dooku at that point either.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Calm down. We're just talking here. Try not to let it get to you.
Originally posted by ares834
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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Haven't you checked his respect thread?
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What so funny about this?
Haven't you checked his respect thread?
HoT have dealt with "impossible odds" as well (canon declaration) and made it through.
Anddd....Luke beat Abeloth and a Palpatine who throws around Wormholes casually. -_-
First off, prove that Vitiate was even at full power when Hero beat him. It is my understanding that the Hero beat him when the Dark Lord was the most vulnerable and weak...
Honestly, Luke as of the Black Fleet Crisis was capable of Force feats of this level:
Luke used the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to rubble, shattering the building piece by piece and throwing it into the oceans of Coruscant.
By the Yuuzang Vong War, Luke was described as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong.
Eventually by the time of Fate of the Jedi, Luke fought his way through approximately fifteen Sith until only two remained. By the end of the series, Luke was powerful enough with the help of Krayt to defeat and kill Abeloth.
Putting Hero above Yoda is a stretch enough, putting the Hero above then the equal to the Chosen One is just beyond wrong.
Sounds like Luke had achieved CHIM. Also, writers need to stop pushing up the bar with Skywalker, because it just makes Vader look retroactively like he's not trying and some of it is just stupid. Or hyperbolic. This isn't the first time I've seen Luke feats brought up without specific quotes to verify.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What so funny about this?HoT have dealt with "impossible odds" as well (canon declaration) and made it through.
I understand that in case of Luke, we have detailed information of his abilities. However, I won't be surprised by the revelation that HoT had acquired lot of excellent talents as well, if they are canonized.
Heck, Luke's powers diminished near the Dark Temple on Dromund Kaas? Hmmmm
Also, with all those (paper tiger) abilities, I wonder why the hell Luke just didn't atomize or brutally put down Lost Tribe Sith? Hmmmm
Haven't you checked his respect thread?
Orgus Din in action with his powers:
The Jedi Master destroyed this portion (additional branch) of the gigantic cave with a gesture from single hand (not is peak strength).
See above
Thanks
Its funny that I get to have the last laugh often.
True, but, that just might be a power scale running. (In TFU, as much as I hate it, Kota tore apart the entire ship with the force and used it as a weapon against Galen Marek, yet Vader states he is not stronger then ANY council member.)
Originally posted by DarthAnt66Anddd....Luke beat Abeloth and a Palpatine who throws around Wormholes casually. -_-
First off, prove that Vitiate was even at full power when Hero beat him. It is my understanding that the Hero beat him when the Dark Lord was the most vulnerable and weak...
Honestly, Luke as of the Black Fleet Crisis was capable of Force feats of this level:
Luke used the Force to crush the rebuilt fortress of Darth Vader to rubble, shattering the building piece by piece and throwing it into the oceans of Coruscant.By the Yuuzang Vong War, Luke was described as a maelstrom of luminous Force energy. Luke merged with the Force to such a degree that the Jedi Master did not seem to be there, physically or as an individual personality. Luke's control over his lightsaber blade was so great that he was said to might as well have been wielding ten, or twenty lightsabers against the Vong.
Eventually by the time of Fate of the Jedi, Luke fought his way through approximately fifteen Sith until only two remained. By the end of the series, Luke was powerful enough with the help of Krayt to defeat and kill Abeloth.
Putting Hero above Yoda is a stretch enough, putting the Hero above then the equal to the Chosen One is just beyond wrong.
No, Luke is not an equal to the chosen one, Anakin at Full Potential would be above "The Ones", every single one of them.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Also, writers need to stop pushing up the bar with Skywalker
I don't know if you've been keeping with current events and all but they stopped writing about him, it's over. And the bulk of the feats listed weren't even from FoTJ - the one where he reduces a fortress to debris and scatters them about the ocean was from a trilogy written nearly a decade ago.
He's not making Vader look bad considering Zonakin>>>>>>>>Tyranus. The bulk of Cyborg Vader's feats are in Dark Horse comics.
Originally posted by DolosYup...
I don't know if you've been keeping with current events and all but they stopped writing about him, it's over. And the bulk of the feats listed weren't even from FoTJ - the one where he reduces a fortress to debris and scatters them about the ocean was from a trilogy written nearly a decade ago.
......Cause now we got Cade.........
....Yup...
45 ABY ~FotJ
Did Luke disintegrated some being with light?
"... Luke the half second he needed to turn his palm forward and loose his own blast of golden energy. Marvid swung his hand over to block, and the two streams of opposing energy met. The Columi's flesh melted into smoke and his bones dissolved into ashes, and Luke glimpsed a shadow tumbling away on the shock wave."
Originally posted by pencilcrayonIt would appear so, I won't collect FoTJ - too much Sith spirit, essence transfer, and Force drain. The shit that complicates the simple Force sensitivity and stronger Force=greater warrior that is true for the main Star Wars era.
45 ABY ~FotJ
Did Luke disintegrated some being with light?
"... Luke the half second he needed to turn his palm forward and loose his own blast of golden energy. Marvid swung his hand over to block, and the two streams of opposing energy met. The Columi's flesh melted into smoke and his bones dissolved into ashes, and Luke glimpsed a shadow tumbling away on the shock wave."
Originally posted by Dolos
I don't know if you've been keeping with current events and all but they stopped writing about him, it's over. And the bulk of the feats listed weren't even from FoTJ - the one where he reduces a fortress to debris and scatters them about the ocean was from a trilogy written nearly a decade ago.He's not making Vader look bad considering Zonakin>>>>>>>>Tyranus. The bulk of Cyborg Vader's feats are in Dark Horse comics.
Zonazo Trace is exponentially faster than Yoda, Sidious, or Anakin. If you want to argue PIS as a valid argument for dominance, she or bota Barriss solos. Normal Anakin couldn't overcome Obi-Wan'ss Force push and Dooku ended Obi-wan with a simple gesture. Clearly, things are not that black and white. Instead of arguing plot induced oneness, you should argue consistency. Otherwise, Zonazo Trace beats everyone within an inch of their life.
Also The Chosen One means **** all outside of G-Canon, since the Force is unbalanced many times and went back to being unbalanced less than a generation after RotJ. This term should never be used for anything but G-canon storyline relevence.
Originally posted by ares834
Um, do you have any evidence that the force has been unbalanced besides around the movie era? As we see in the Plagueis novel, the reason for the force's imbalance isn't due merely to the existence of the Sith but rather Plags and Palpatine intentionally unbalancing the force through a ritual.
The idea of balance of the Force is the dominance of the Light Side and the eradication or extreme minimalization of the Dark Side and/or Sith.
There are powerful Sith and Dark Side users before and after the movie era in EU.Therefore, the balanace is constantly threatened.
That seems pretty straight forward to me.