DCNU Justice League VS WBH

In a comic DCNU JL wins. In a Forum fight JL wins.

The only chance for WBH to win this is, CIS off for him and CIS on for the JL.

That means Forum WBH, like Forum SS or anyone else will have the first move and use instantly everything you can come up with. If you let him fight an "comic" JL they will let him do what he wants and just react. Against an Forum JL they will use their far superior speed instantly and stomp the sh1t out of him.

In a comic, with CIS on, they might have a harder time, because they will wait and see but with their devices, speed and power it's still a solid majority.

In a DC/Marvel crossover, Superman would still solo 😉.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
In a comic DCNU JL wins. In a Forum fight JL wins.

The only chance for WBH to win this is, CIS off for him and CIS on for the JL.

That means Forum WBH, like Forum SS or anyone else will have the first move and use instantly everything you can come up with. If you let him fight an "comic" JL they will let him do what he wants and just react. Against an Forum JL they will use their far superior speed instantly and stomp the sh1t out of him.

In a comic, with CIS on, they might have a harder time, because they will wait and see but with their devices, speed and power it's still a solid majority.

In a DC/Marvel crossover, Superman would still solo 😉.

World Breaker is Hulk with morals off by definition.
To apply morals to him, you would need to add CIS.
As shown in HotM; Hulk is there to kill things, gloves off, over and over again.

It's akin to saying "DOS Doomsday with morality turned on"- there really is no such thing.

The JLA, by contrast, are not monsters. And they do have morality on. They are superheroes led by one of the biggest boy scouts in comic history.

Hulk would go for the kill. Superman would eat it on the chin while still deciding how hard he can punch without killing "this odd glowing green guy."

And that is a big part of why the JLA lose here.

@ McAbe- On a side note, I do enjoy your debating style. We are bound to disagree on this one, but your posting style has been most amusing to read in other debates. 😮‍💨

Originally posted by kgkg
femtoseconds rections? This Flash can't even go more than escape velocity without using vibrations. Also Flash was getting tagged by Grodd's goon and had to be saved. Lets not pretend that Flash is someone that can't be touched.

Yes, femtoseconds:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/120679/2541508-2390312_flash4_4b_femtosecond_bullet_super.jpg

Flash can be touched. But the cenário here is not here trying to avoid much thing. Only has to BFR him before he reacts, or, just avoid few attacks - thing he did against Supergirl and Superman, wich are Far faster than WBH ( against Kara he was holding back and against Kal-el was playing with him).

The first time he used his power he went to África before he could perceive what was happening. With that speed is not really hard to dodge or vibrate in that against WBH attack.

And vibrating to not to go space is no big deal...

When he teleported himself and Grodd to the speed force it wasn't instant- Grodd was just standing there and they were having a convo before he was actually transported. Grodd could have escaped if he knew what was happening.

Hulk doesn't need to be faster than Flash he just just has to connect once.

They had a convo. But there no evidence that Flash needed prep time to do that. He only needed to be closer to Grood. Then he Started to talk and BFR him before he could react.

Hulk via speedblitz

World benching Superman rips any version of Hulk apart.

Doubtful.

WWHulk had planetary feats of his own, long before going World Breaker.

At World Breaker Level, he was able to disintegrate foes ranging from High Class 100 to Herald Class, without even needing to punch them.
The power hike was ludicrously high. It really is Marvel's version of "Super Hulk Prime."
Add that Hulk in this form was as much energy as flesh, he was eradicating entire worlds, ignoring hits from Fing Fang Foom, Arm'Cheddon, Bi-Beast and billions of demons at the same time, with absolutely no noted affect AND battling a magically enhanced RSHulk at the same time.
Nothing was stopping him. Or even slowing him.
Considering the fact that Hulk's other abilities amp along with his strength, God only knows how fast he was healing at this point.

This an incarnation this pretty much beyond conventional damage.

Weird debaters here. Just outright weird.

Im waiting you explain why Flash needs to grab Hulk to BFR him.

I'm waiting on you to show me Flash speeding through an OMNI blast. Also, how many times out of 10 will Flash attempt that move.

LoL. Do you believe WBH will react first or you believe intangibility dont work against omni attacks ? Or you think WBH is faster than Grood with aceleration force ? I dont understand your point.

After he learned he could BFR people, he was in a situation like This only one time. And he used that...

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
LoL. Do you believe WBH will react first or you believe intangibility dont work against omni attacks ? Or you think WBH is faster than Grood with aceleration force ? I dont understand your point.

After he learned he could BFR people, he was in a situation like This only one time. And he used that...

It's not about reacting first...Hulk will start the battle off with the blast around him.

The proof is on you to show us him moving through an OMNI attack...not me. Also, he has used this trick once, why are you making it seem like it is something he would do right off the bat?

Vibrate to a wall = all body get intangible = omni blast went work. What is your point ? Why a omni blast will affect intagibility.

Thats Nice to see your saying " if Flash act like you say, he wins, but he will not".

Flash has a capability of thinking infinity differents strategys to a battle. Thats not hard to see he will find out BFR is the solution in This fight.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Vibrate to a wall = all body get intangible = omni blast went work. What is your point ? Why a omni blast will affect intagibility.

Thats Nice to see your saying " if Flash act like you say, he wins, but he will not".

Flash has a capability of thinking infinity differents strategys to a battle. Thats not hard to see he will find out BFR is the solution in This fight.

Him accelerating his atoms doesn't mean he can do it through every object, especially energy.

Show us Flash bfring someone more than once and you'll have a legit case. It's an option but it's an implausible one. Show me him vibrating through energy.

GL construct is energy, right ?

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/eaebiakuya/Flash%20DCNU/vibrarconstruto_zpscec5de80.jpg

And since when we have This "do more than one time" rule ? He learned that and never had to use again after This fight. It was not so long ago.

If we know he can do that, and he used in a situation against a stronger enemy, cant see why is so hard to believe he would do that in a no PIS match ?

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
GL construct is energy, right ?

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/eaebiakuya/Flash%20DCNU/vibrarconstruto_zpscec5de80.jpg

And since when we have This "do more than one time" rule ? He learned that and never had to use again after This fight. It was not so long ago.

If we know he can do that, and he used in a situation against a stronger enemy, cant see why is so hard to believe he would do that in a no PIS match ?

Exactly. Saying "he can do it, he just won't" when it's a perfectly viable tactic is the most retarded argument I've ever heard. When people result to such, it's admission of defeat imo. 👆

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
GL construct is energy, right ?

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/eaebiakuya/Flash%20DCNU/vibrarconstruto_zpscec5de80.jpg

And since when we have This "do more than one time" rule ? He learned that and never had to use again after This fight. It was not so long ago.

If we know he can do that, and he used in a situation against a stronger enemy, cant see why is so hard to believe he would do that in a no PIS match ?

Your doing good. Name the most powerful person Flash bfred. Also, we don't debate off powerset...personalities is still in play.

You have to tell me why WBH cant be teleported away. Cant see why phisical strengh can stop a BFR like This.

He only BFR Grood( with aceleration force), a being far faster than WBH. Hulk certantly cant run from This attack.

Originally posted by eaebiakuya
You have to tell me why WBH cant be teleported away. Cant see why phisical strengh can stop a BFR like This.

He only BFR Grood( with aceleration force), a being far faster than WBH. Hulk certantly cant run from This attack.

How many times out of 10 would Flash do this? Remember, personalities is still in play. Flash has starred in numerous of comics outside of this so why doesn't he use this tactic when him and the JLA are losing?

lol I love how superspeed is extrapolated in forum fights to the point where these characters are basically just skewed power sets and not the actual characters using them.

The fact of the matter is that when this Hulk throws a fist, even without directly hitting anyone, they're going to feel the aftermath of it. Nobody on the League is packing that kind of offensive power let alone the durability to endure it. The League has to have things play very specifically in order to win this whereas all Hulk has to do is try attacking them.