Originally posted by carver9
How many times out of 10 would Flash do this? Remember, personalities is still in play. Flash has starred in numerous of comics outside of this so why doesn't he use this tactic when him and the JLA are losing?
The record is 1/1. In trinity war Flash get depowered. Also This is a non PIS match. Dont use a power without reason = pis, also in a similar situation, he used.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
The record is 1/1. In trinity war Flash get depowered. Also This is a non PIS match. Dont use a power without reason = pis.
You are still failing to realize that personality is still on. 'We do not debate based off powerset, we still use on panel showings and depictions while talking about these characters. Debating in your fashion, Surfer beats everyone and their grandmomma in the Herald tier.
Now again, Flash bfring right off the bat...is that something consistent for the character? If so, provide scans proving it. One time isn't enough.
Originally posted by carver9
You are still failing to realize that personality is still on. 'We do not debate based off powerset, we still use on panel showings and depictions while talking about these characters. Debating in your fashion, Surfer beats everyone and their grandmomma in the Herald tier.Now again, Flash bfring right off the bat...is that something consistent for the character? If so, provide scans proving it. One time isn't enough.
And you fail to realize the Full Capacity rule is still in effect. If Flash has done it before, he could do it again. He has the capability to do such, in a forum fight it makes sense.
Originally posted by -Pr-
This is getting silly, so if people can't be realistic and provide some actual , logical way for the League to have a chance, then I'm closing it.
Sorri, but can you tell me what is wrong against Flash BFR way ?
The only argument that carver bring was" he will not do that". Thats like admit Flash would win via BFR.
I provide the scans and you can find in This thread.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Sorri, but can you tell me what is wrong against Flash BFR way ?The only argument that carver bring was" he will not do that". Thats like admit Flash would win via BFR.
I provide the scans and you can find in This thread.
I never said he wouldnt. I said he wouldn't do it for the majority. Bfring is a desperate move anyways. A cop out.
Originally posted by carver9
You are still failing to realize that personality is still on. 'We do not debate based off powerset, we still use on panel showings and depictions while talking about these characters. Debating in your fashion, Surfer beats everyone and their grandmomma in the Herald tier.Now again, Flash bfring right off the bat...is that something consistent for the character? If so, provide scans proving it. One time isn't enough.
Thats not hard to happen. Fight starts,Flash see Superman being overpowered, he vibrate against shockwaves, then he calcs the best strategy and BFR Hulk.
Flash using his super Brain to discover the best strategy against a enemy or a situation is a thing he done some times in his comic book.
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaExcept in pretty much every team fight he's been involved in so far since DCnU started.
Thats not hard to happen. Fight starts,Flash see Superman being overpowered, he vibrate against shockwaves, then he calcs the best strategy and BFR Hulk.Flash using his super Brain to discover the best strategy against a enemy or a situation is a thing he done some times in his comic book.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
Thats not hard to happen. Fight starts,Flash see Superman being overpowered, he vibrate against shockwaves, then he calcs the best strategy and BFR Hulk.Flash using his super Brain to discover the best strategy against a enemy or a situation is a thing he done some times in his comic book.
So you admit, with this strategy and calculating brain of Flash, he can beat HP Doomsday, Thanos, Superman Prime for the majority?
Originally posted by Odekahn
PiS.Wouldn't be a very exciting issue of JL if Flash did everything.
I like your posting style. But I agree with Carver on this point.
PIS occurs when a writer ignores a power-set in a one-off setting (i.e.- when they ignore the "norm" for the character simply to advance their writing plot).
However; CIS occurs when a character limits himself by virtue of personality and/or by typical fighting style.
Thor (for example) could BFR or Godblast most foes from the gate.
But he doesn't.
Part is preference- he doesn't want to kill if he doesn't need to. And he likes battle.
Part is simply "how he tends to fight"- it would not naturally occur to Thor to begin each battle with a BFR or Godblast.
He simply does not fight that way.
He will "if" he realizes that this is the ONLY way to win.
But if not, he "chooses" to be a brick/blaster.
By the same note- Flash will not begin a match with a BFR into the Flash Force, or anything akin to this.
He will not risk that his foe cannot survive the trip.
Much like Thor- Flash "chooses" to be a speedster that relies on fast strikes and dodging.
He "can" do more, and will if it is absolutely needed.
But he does not, nor has he ever, begun a fight with a brand-new foe, by BFRing him or I.M. punching him.
That is not Flash.
That is how certain fans would fight "if they had Flash's powers."
That's what Carver is saying about personality.
It's not just morality.
It's "everything" about the character's fighting style and choice making matrix.
It's the reason that Prof. X doesn't mind wipe every Magneto.
It's the reason that Superman didn't throw Doomsday into the Sun.
And it's the reason that Flash doesn't start out a fight with an instant win/instant murder tactic.
It's not that "cannot", it is simply that he historically has proven that he "does not."
It is simply not how he tends to open combat.
He's not Zoom. He's not Wolverine. He's not Thanos.
He's a good guy. On a good guy team. With all the boons and baggage that comes with it...
Including risking (and often eating) a loss, due to the fact he chooses to gauge his foe's power level prior to hitting them with what may amount to a killing blow.
That's not PIS. That's character design.
Such is my opinion anyway.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not PIS. It's how Flash fights. In character, he doesn't became the Avatar of the Speed Force and toss out IMPs, steal speed, vibrate though people, Speed Force dump, or do even half of the crazy and absurd stuff people love arguing him doing.😂
Exactly. Well said, Jake. I've been digging your posts too.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not PIS. It's how Flash fights. In character, he doesn't became the Avatar of the Speed Force and toss out IMPs, steal speed, vibrate though people, Speed Force dump, or do even half of the crazy and absurd stuff people love arguing him doing.😂
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@Jax...
Jake is a reasonable poster. Non biased at all.