Originally posted by zopzop
What part of "unless the showings I just mentioned are retconned into being the Celestials playing a game like they did with the Beyonder in SWII", NOTHING changes.Those IGs were NON functional during that Mad Celestial encounter because they were outside their respective universes. So I don't get what bringing them up proves. When they did manage to get one working, he slagged every Celestial he managed to hit before the Reed acting as a portal to that IG's respective universe overloaded.
The UN failed to dent them but Johnny's "Sun" level flame melts their armor. Phucking fail UNs. Also herald level beings have had to deal with Solar level flame and nothing happened to them. Freaking Thor was walking around the core of the Sun (MILLIONS of degrees Celsius heat and crushing gravity) having a conversation with his half brother without skipping a beat, his clothes weren't even singed. Hickman is a moron.
And have fun with that LT scan. More stupidity from Hickman.
It wasn't a Solar level flame. It was clearly mentioned to burn hotter than the sun, which is logical seeing how Johnny's displayed the ability to go nova level temperature on his own before. CCR-amped Johnny slagging their armor was almost akin to an amped Johnny managing to incapacitate the Marquis of Death by melting the very fabric of space-time with Planck temperature.
So, you're not actually going to bother bringing up the Builder/LT scene to defend your case then? That counts as a cloaked concession.
Originally posted by zopzop
Easily exploitable hyperspace weakness? Check.
"Simple" (the writers own words not mine) Asgardian enchantment weakness. Check.
Two UBER Asgardian magic users in this thread? Check.The Reed gun and GK armor were made in jest but I don't see why RKT can't replicate Reed's Gun feat.
Originally posted by Epicurus
Them fighting a Reed who was able to access his native universe disagrees with you.It wasn't a Solar level flame. It was clearly mentioned to burn hotter than the sun, which is logical seeing how Johnny's displayed the ability to go nova level temperature on his own before. CCR-amped Johnny slagging their armor was almost akin to an amped Johnny managing to incapacitate the Marquis of Death by melting the very fabric of space-time with Planck temperature.
So, you're not actually going to bother bringing up the Builder/LT scene to defend your case then? That counts as a cloaked concession.
No confirmation that this hyperspace-weakness is easily exploitable, or anyone apart from Sue can utilize it? Check.
No confirmation that RKT would even resort to using magic which even Odin finds disgusting? Check.
No confirmation that RKT has ever used man-made or alien-made tech in the past before? Check.
You're an idiot? Check.
Mad Celestials handily win this thread? Check.
Anyone capable of replicating Sue's hyperspace constructs can end them. If Sue can do it, and Skrull tech can do it, why can't a Skyfather level+ being do it, especially if he has a high level of omniscience (to discover their weakness).
I haven't conceded anything regarding the Builders/LT scan. But like I told Janus it makes no difference either way, unless a multiversal level threat did that to him, it's PIS and Hickman is a crap writer.
And I also love how you can't post without resorting to personal attacks.
The Celestials get wrecked.
Originally posted by zopzop
They are fighting to win no? So whether Odin finds "a simple" (again the WRITER'S OWN WORDS) Asgardian disgusting or not has no bearing on this thread.Anyone capable of replicating Sue's hyperspace constructs can end them. If Sue can do it, and Skrull tech can do it, why can't a Skyfather level+ being do it, especially if he has a high level of omniscience (to discover their weakness).
I haven't conceded anything regarding the Builders/LT scan. But like I told Janus it makes no difference either way, unless a multiversal level threat did that to him, it's PIS and Hickman is a crap writer.
And I also love how you can't post without resorting to personal attacks.
The Celestials get wrecked.
You were owned on this point by Galan before. Adult Franklin also never attempted to replicate her powers, even though he has a hereditary relation with her, is a reality manipulator of one of the highest orders, and is likely aware of her kryptoniting effect on their armor as well.
You just admitted that it doesn't matter. You don't know yet yourself. If you do, then post the scans to prove your case, or else shut up with this nonsense about the LT and the Builders.
Each and every argument that you made has been countered, debunked, or just flat-out dismissed as a useless point in favor the Asgardians.
Celestials win this as easily as they did against the amped Galactus.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I don't believe any amount of physical heat can affect abstract concepts.Imo, UN >>> Johnny's max fire output, or any temperature.
Eson didn't really tank the UN, it was the wielder's fail in that instance.
I disagree on the UN wielder part, but that discussion is for another time in another place imo.
Originally posted by EpicurusPlanck temperature affected the Marquis of Death, who's above a number of Abstracts.
Originally posted by Epicurus
No confirmation that RKT would even resort to using magic which even Odin finds disgusting? Check.
Zopzop's nonsense aside, how is this supposed to counter Thor using the Celestial killing enchantment?
Young Thor already knows the enchantment and used it. Odin found the use of the enchantment dangerous because an item of that power can have disastrous consequences, hence the current arc with the Apocalypse twins.
There's no logical reason to stop Odin, and especially Thor from using this enchantment to run a train on the Celestials now that the war with them is over with.
Originally posted by zopzop
And then he goes on to make the same point I was trying to get across.Stay classy Rage. 🙄
Okay, I'll be honest. I didn't read any of your posts but out of habit and caution, I wanted to make sure I distanced myself from you.
If you made a similar argument, kudos but from experience, you don't always go about best explaining your points. Anyways, I apologize.
Originally posted by zopzop
Go easy on him. He wants to be in the good graces of the cool kids on this forum. 😮💨
Anyway, Mad Celestials instantly annihilate Thor. No time for RKT to even think, before he's wiped from all existence.
Also, why didn't Sue take out the Mad Celestials when they killed Franklin?
Originally posted by janus77
Virgins, yes, apparently. Cool kids? Nooo ...This is a comic-books forum.Anyway, Mad Celestials instantly annihilate Thor. No time for RKT to even think, before he's wiped from all existence.
Also, why didn't Sue take out the Mad Celestials when they killed Franklin?
Galactus ko/kills a Celestial. They merge, take him out. Sol's Hammer rekills the dead Celestial breaking up Voltron. Adult Franklin shows up. Fights the 3 remaining Celestials. Uses Kid Franklin's power to rez his new herald, Galactus. Franklin gets ko/killed, Galactus rezzes him. They beat the Celestials.
Fin.
Originally posted by zopzop
That entire run was a clusterphuck.Galactus ko/kills a Celestial. They merge, take him out. Sol's Hammer rekills the dead Celestial breaking up Voltron. Adult Franklin shows up. Fights the 3 remaining Celestials. Uses Kid Franklin's power to rez his new herald, Galactus. Franklin gets ko/killed, Galactus rezzes him. They beat the Celestials.
Fin.
It's a toss-up between Chaos Wars and Infinity as to which is the most dire arc. Both had moments that were interesting, but they screwed up everything good about the cosmology of Marvel.
The latter killing what remained of The Celestials' dignity.
Oh and my god was Thanos Initiative boring, ditto Fear Itself.