Originally posted by JBL
Let me guess which one. Why not put it to a vote?
Originally posted by JBL
You believe what you want and i will believe what i see. Powergirls scream was not stopped, the writer showed that superman got over to that woman before PG said clark. Let me explain it in 5th grade terms....... Powergirl said cl... superman flew to that woman by the time ...ark came out. get it?? Its not even the same as when gladiator wrapped cannonball in that steel girder. cannonball said... come up behind hi... WHAM got wrapped up in the girder...WHU..? He never finshed saying the word HIM, he only got as far as HI... thats a statue dude if i wanted to twist scans like you do. But as ever, you add on to every scan you use. I am finished with you because you think superman is superior to every character in comics and posting partial scans does not help your case at all. Now it time for the ignore feature on this site.
El oh El.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Which was solely attributed to her skills. But hey, skills are included in speed too I guess. What? Wonder Woman saying she is faster than superman is true but wonder woman saying power girl is as fast as her isn't?
My issue with you was that you posted that scan and claimed that PG blitzed WW to show that she is faster than Diana. That fight showed that was not the case.
I absolutely believe WW when she said Karen was as fast, but this thread is about combat speed. And it is precisely because of her skill that people make the claim she is faster in combat speed. She explained it to Batman and Superman. She doesn't have to think while she is fighting. Her training makes her movements second nature. So PG could be as fast as her in raw speed (or faster in the case of Superman), but that doesn't mean she could not have the advantage in a fight. Batman's analogy with Usain Bolt and Bruce Lee is apt.
And we also have to keep in mind we're dealing with two different writers in this instance. If you want to take both comments in isolation, then you are left with the ridiculous scenario that WW=PG>Superman. . . I don't think anyone would buy into that.
Originally posted by SasaraixxI posted the scan saying that wonder woman says that "she is at least as fast as me" when PG dodges her lasso toss easily and smacks her which she is unable to dodge. That's what a blitz is.
My issue with you was that you posted that scan and claimed that PG blitzed WW to show that she is faster than Diana. That fight showed that was not the case.
I absolutely believe WW when she said Karen was as fast, but this thread is about combat speed. And it is precisely because of her skill that people make the claim she is faster in combat speed. She explained it to Batman and Superman. She doesn't have to think while she is fighting. Her training makes her movements second nature. So PG could be as fast as her in raw speed (or faster in the case of Superman), but that doesn't mean she could not have the advantage in a fight. Batman's analogy with Usain Bolt and Bruce Lee is apt.Except Bruce Lee and Usain Bolt are both humans and nobody has ever tested who is faster. Superman isn't like Usain Bolt, he can use his reflexes as fast as he runs, bolt can't. Usain Bolt is more like Rhino who can run at 300 mph but can't react at that speed. Superman and Wonder Woman aren't and as superman tells her in her face that he's faster than her.
Never mention the fact that he actually blitzes her here.
A single scan from a single writer and all of this is invalid? You WW fangirls make me laugh.
But only wonder woman's words count from a writer who admitted that he nerfed superman to give everybody a chance, right?
And we also have to keep in mind we're dealing with two different writers in this instance. If you want to take both comments in isolation, then you are left with the ridiculous scenario that WW=PG>Superman. . . I don't think anyone would buy into that.No, but direct evidence from several writers do indicate that he is vastly faster than her. Wonder Woman doesn't races Flashes on foot and makes them sweat. This alone is better than her whole resume.
Reverse Flash says that superman's speed rivals his own after he stops his blitz.
Originally posted by Sasaraixx
My issue with you was that you posted that scan and claimed that PG blitzed WW to show that she is faster than Diana. That fight showed that was not the case.I absolutely believe WW when she said Karen was as fast, but this thread is about combat speed. And it is precisely because of her skill that people make the claim she is faster in combat speed. She explained it to Batman and Superman. She doesn't have to think while she is fighting. Her training makes her movements second nature. So PG could be as fast as her in raw speed (or faster in the case of Superman), but that doesn't mean she could not have the advantage in a fight. Batman's analogy with Usain Bolt and Bruce Lee is apt.
And we also have to keep in mind we're dealing with two different writers in this instance. If you want to take both comments in isolation, then you are left with the ridiculous scenario that WW=PG>Superman. . . I don't think anyone would buy into that.
Exactly...what I got from it is the opposite. WW was casually dodging Powergirl and CASUALLY blocking her punch which speaks volumes.
This thread has become a bit silly. Anyone who understands comics at all knows that different writers have different takes on the relative ability levels of heroes. For something to become accepted it takes a sustained buy in from multiple writers. It doesn't matter how explicitly one writer states something--that only indicates their belief. Superman has been faster than Wonder Woman under most writers for as long as I can remember, and remains so. Clearly one writer felt differently, and introduced a competing idea. And yes, he was very explicit about it. But I fail to see any evidence of other writers buying into that idea.
Originally posted by abhilegend
I posted the scan saying that wonder woman says that "she is at least as fast as me" when PG dodges her lasso toss easily and smacks her which she is unable to dodge. That's what a blitz is.Except Bruce Lee and Usain Bolt are both humans and nobody has ever tested who is faster. Superman isn't like Usain Bolt, he can use his reflexes as fast as he runs, bolt can't. Usain Bolt is more like Rhino who can run at 300 mph but can't react at that speed. Superman and Wonder Woman aren't and as superman tells her in her face that he's faster than her.
Never mention the fact that he actually blitzes her here.
He did not blitz WW, he got in her way and slapped her away, your other scan shows lanturn seeing reverse flash shows his speed. Superman never told WW that he was faster than her ( those are your words ). In the scan you left out, it shows WW standing and superman on his butt. You have a habit of making false statements about scans and leaving information out to mask your false statements. WW told superman to his face that she was faster WORD FOR WORD. get over it.
Superman has stated that he is NOT faster than light or that he cannot outrace light. That was backed by that explosion where he could not dodge nor react to those rays that knocked him for a loop. It was stated they were moving at light speed on-panel.
But wait JBL! superman has flew at light speed before!! Well people, yes he has, but let me explain. superman takes time to reach light speed, light does not, the guy told superman he had to CATCH that light speed object, superman stated ... i CANNOT outrace light... he did not say he could not get to light speed, he can, but again, not as fast as light.
Zoom/Flash fight is another. Flash borrowed speed to get to light speed in an instant, the speed Zoom was going, that showed the readers that although flash is fast, he could not catch Zoom from a dead stop, he had to be able to reach that speed in an instant to be able to fight Zoom, Superman and the rest were statues frozen still.If superman ( and plenty others ) were to race light from a dead standstill, the minute the gun goes off, light would leave them in the dust. Superman might can make NORMAL people look like statues, but he cannot make J.garret, powergirl or supergirl ( who ALL have enhanced reaction ) look like statues. he might can outrun them flying in a straight line, but they are ALL close in combat speed, but WW is faster than him in combat but she cannot make him look like a statue.
A single scan from a single writer and all of this is invalid? You WW fangirls make me laugh.
But only wonder woman's words count from a writer who admitted that he nerfed superman to give everybody a chance, right?
No, but direct evidence from several writers do indicate that he is vastly faster than her. Wonder Woman doesn't races Flashes on foot and makes them sweat. This alone is better than her whole resume.
Reverse Flash says that superman's speed rivals his own after he stops his blitz.
He did not blitz WW, he got in her way and slapped her away, your other scan shows lanturn seeing reverse flash shows his speed. Superman never told WW that he was faster than her ( those are your words ). In the scan you left out, it shows WW standing and superman on his butt. You have a habit of making false statements about scans and leaving information out to mask your false statements. WW told superman to his face that she was faster WORD FOR WORD. get over it.
Superman has stated that he is NOT faster than light or that he cannot outrace light. That was backed by that explosion where he could not dodge nor react to those rays that knocked him for a loop. It was stated they were moving at light speed on-panel.
But wait JBL! superman has flew at light speed before!! Well people, yes he has, but let me explain. superman takes time to reach light speed, light does not, the guy told superman he had to CATCH that light speed object, superman stated ... i CANNOT outrace light... he did not say he could not get to light speed, he can, but again, not as fast as light.
Zoom/Flash fight is another. Flash borrowed speed to get to light speed in an instant, the speed Zoom was going, that showed the readers that although flash is fast, he could not catch Zoom from a dead stop, he had to be able to reach that speed in an instant to be able to fight Zoom, Superman and the rest were statues frozen still.
If superman ( and plenty others ) were to race light from a dead standstill, the minute the gun goes off, light would leave them in the dust. Superman might can make NORMAL people look like statues, but he cannot make J.garret, powergirl or supergirl ( who ALL have enhanced reaction ) look like statues. he might can outrun them flying in a straight line, but they are ALL close in combat speed, but WW is faster than him in combat but she cannot make him look like a statue.
Originally posted by abhilegend1. Cannonball was moving faster than Jay and powergirl comparing those two scans. The scans shows the same thing happening as someone saying a word. That,s the purpose of my scan. Superman never made Jay look like a statue. Everyone else is fighting at a slow rate of speed in your scan, you try and make it like jay, PG and WW are moving at super speed and superman comes along and accelerates and make them all statues???? Really dude?
Nope, you'll just deny the poll too.I would let bada decide now. Your rambling about Gladiator and Cannonball are cute BTW. Gladiator coming behind Cannonball and tying him up is supposed to be compared to making Jay ****ing Garrick look like a statue?
El oh El.
Originally posted by JBLHow many times are you going to lie? Its apparent that you have nothing but just rolling. Now you're straight up denying reverse flash's statement about superman?
He did not blitz WW, he got in her way and slapped her away, your other scan shows lanturn seeing reverse flash shows his speed. Superman never told WW that he was faster than her ( those are your words ).
In the scan you left out, it shows WW standing and superman on his butt.Because she surprised him.
You have a habit of making false statements about scans and leaving information out to mask your false statements. WW told superman to his face that she was faster WORD FOR WORD. get over it.And you've a habit of denying every superman feat. So did superman and he has a lot of history proving his case. Wonder woman
Superman has stated that he is NOT faster than light or that he cannot outrace light.So has silver surfer, heck it has been outright stated that wonder woman's max speed is mach 3.
That was backed by that explosion where he could not dodge nor react to those rays that knocked him for a loop.Where he was weakened by a giant sun eater's red sun attacks.
It was stated they were moving at light speed on-panel.And it has been stated that he can go FTL too.
But wait JBL! superman has flew at light speed before!! Well people, yes he has, but let me explain. superman takes time to reach light speed, light does not, the guy told superman he had to CATCH that light speed object, superman stated ... i CANNOT outrace light... he did not say he could not get to light speed, he can, but again, not as fast as light.Superman was weaker back then bro, he got upgrades. Forget lightspeed JBL, wonder woman's official speed was mach 3 around then.
Zoom/Flash fight is another. Flash borrowed speed to get to light speed in an instant, the speed Zoom was going, that showed the readers that although flash is fast, he could not catch Zoom from a dead stop, he had to be able to reach that speed in an instant to be able to fight Zoom, Superman and the rest were statues frozen still.And I've shut you up several times about this that they were fighting at several times speed of light. But wonder woman couldn't see them either, so what's your point? We're not comparing Flash/Zoom here.
If superman ( and plenty others ) were to race light from a dead standstill, the minute the gun goes off, light would leave them in the dust. Superman might can make NORMAL people look like statues, but he cannot make J.garret, powergirl or supergirl ( who ALL have enhanced reaction ) look like statues. he might can outrun them flying in a straight line, but they are ALL close in combat speed, but WW is faster than him in combat but she cannot make him look like a statue.He did. You can moan in anguish all you want, it happened. Get over it bruh.
Originally posted by JBL
1. Cannonball was moving faster than Jay and powergirl comparing those two scans. The scans shows the same thing happening as someone saying a word. That,s the purpose of my scan. Superman never made Jay look like a statue. Everyone else is fighting at a slow rate of speed in your scan, you try and make it like jay, PG and WW are moving at super speed and superman comes along and accelerates and make them all statues???? Really dude?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That scan only shows her currently travelling at Mach 3. Says nothing about her top speed.I'm typing this whilst driving in my Porsche, which is powered by a 3.8l, 400hp engine - currently at the speed of 60mph.
Don't know if serious or not...if so, come and pick a brother up.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That scan only shows her currently travelling at Mach 3. Says nothing about her top speed.I'm typing this whilst driving in my Porsche, which is powered by a 3.8l, 400hp engine - currently at the speed of 60mph.
Originally posted by abhilegend
What? "Takes her little over one hour travelling at the speed of hermes currently mach 3". Speed of hermes was stated to be mach 3, not her top speed.
Speed of Hermes could well go faster than Mach 3. We don't know for certain. All we know is, at that point in time, it was 'currently' Mach 3.
